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Proving God in 20 statements
RE: Proving God in 20 statements
(April 2, 2016 at 2:28 am)smfortune Wrote:
(April 2, 2016 at 1:54 am)Alex K Wrote: I still haven't seen an explanation why the first premise is justified. Just reiterating the rough everyday notion of causation isn't doing it.

Well I don't know how to help you understand further. Horse to water kind of thing. Perhaps you could justify to yourself your continued discomfort with the premise by thinking of an uncaused thing? Good

No. You are presenting a proof, you need to establish that the terms you use are well-defined and apply to the situation at hand. Shifting the burden of proof to me to falsify your premise based on your ill defined terms, is silly - I don't even buy yet that you have a consistent notion of causation that applies to the universe as a whole. You don't seem to be able to elaborate on your definitions and instead hide behind a bit of smugness. That's not very convincing. Or have you not thought about it any deeper?
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - March 31, 2016 at 11:39 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by TheRealJoeFish - March 31, 2016 at 11:41 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 4:23 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Mister Agenda - April 5, 2016 at 2:46 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Silver - March 31, 2016 at 11:41 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Bob Kelso - April 1, 2016 at 8:22 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by TheRealJoeFish - March 31, 2016 at 11:42 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - March 31, 2016 at 11:44 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Mudhammam - April 1, 2016 at 2:45 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 1, 2016 at 3:23 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Mudhammam - April 1, 2016 at 11:30 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by TheRealJoeFish - March 31, 2016 at 11:44 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Cyberman - March 31, 2016 at 11:54 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Minimalist - April 1, 2016 at 12:03 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Minimalist - March 31, 2016 at 11:55 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by vorlon13 - April 1, 2016 at 12:12 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 1, 2016 at 12:15 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by SteelCurtain - April 1, 2016 at 12:34 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 1, 2016 at 1:09 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Athene - April 1, 2016 at 1:14 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 1, 2016 at 1:20 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Minimalist - April 1, 2016 at 1:30 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Little lunch - April 1, 2016 at 1:49 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by SteelCurtain - April 1, 2016 at 2:05 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Athene - April 1, 2016 at 2:32 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Thumpalumpacus - April 1, 2016 at 2:08 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Alex K - April 1, 2016 at 2:17 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Minimalist - April 1, 2016 at 2:19 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Red_Wind - April 1, 2016 at 2:41 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Alex K - April 1, 2016 at 4:15 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 4:50 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 4:48 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by drfuzzy - April 1, 2016 at 4:50 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Jackalope - April 1, 2016 at 7:28 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by ignoramus - April 1, 2016 at 3:06 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by I_am_not_mafia - April 1, 2016 at 3:21 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 1, 2016 at 4:46 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 1, 2016 at 4:49 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Alex K - April 1, 2016 at 4:56 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Thumpalumpacus - April 1, 2016 at 5:02 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Alex K - April 1, 2016 at 5:15 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 5:03 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by deleteduser12345 - April 1, 2016 at 7:14 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 7:19 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by deleteduser12345 - April 1, 2016 at 8:31 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by brewer - April 1, 2016 at 9:05 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 10:46 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 2, 2016 at 1:10 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Thumpalumpacus - April 2, 2016 at 1:47 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Mister Agenda - April 5, 2016 at 2:55 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 4:59 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Nay_Sayer - April 1, 2016 at 5:00 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Joods - April 1, 2016 at 5:49 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by deleteduser12345 - April 1, 2016 at 8:04 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 1, 2016 at 8:06 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Little lunch - April 1, 2016 at 8:10 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Jehanne - April 1, 2016 at 8:22 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 4:06 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Alex K - April 1, 2016 at 4:11 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Mister Agenda - April 5, 2016 at 2:40 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by drfuzzy - April 1, 2016 at 4:47 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 1, 2016 at 4:57 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Nay_Sayer - April 1, 2016 at 4:59 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 1, 2016 at 5:03 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 1, 2016 at 6:31 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by ignoramus - April 1, 2016 at 11:12 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Lemonvariable72 - April 2, 2016 at 1:27 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2016 at 5:20 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 5:22 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Mister Agenda - April 5, 2016 at 2:56 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by brewer - April 1, 2016 at 5:36 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 5:38 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by brewer - April 1, 2016 at 6:37 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 6:56 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Ravenshire - April 1, 2016 at 9:26 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 10:48 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by downbeatplumb - April 2, 2016 at 7:51 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Cyberman - April 1, 2016 at 5:39 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Red_Wind - April 1, 2016 at 5:49 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Redbeard The Pink - April 1, 2016 at 6:08 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 6:51 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by LostLocke - April 1, 2016 at 6:49 pm
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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 1, 2016 at 7:22 pm
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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Time Traveler - April 1, 2016 at 7:53 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 10:30 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by deleteduser12345 - April 2, 2016 at 7:52 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Time Traveler - April 2, 2016 at 11:12 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Whateverist - April 2, 2016 at 12:00 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 1, 2016 at 8:04 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Time Traveler - April 1, 2016 at 8:07 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 1, 2016 at 8:16 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Minimalist - April 1, 2016 at 8:34 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2016 at 9:08 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Cyberman - April 1, 2016 at 10:44 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Minimalist - April 2, 2016 at 12:03 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Cyberman - April 2, 2016 at 7:39 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Jackalope - April 2, 2016 at 10:59 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 2, 2016 at 12:26 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2016 at 12:50 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Jackalope - April 2, 2016 at 2:11 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 2, 2016 at 3:03 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Jackalope - April 2, 2016 at 3:16 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by LastPoet - April 2, 2016 at 7:01 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by LastPoet - April 2, 2016 at 6:54 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Losty - April 2, 2016 at 7:50 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by KevinM1 - April 3, 2016 at 2:27 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 4, 2016 at 10:32 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Redbeard The Pink - April 5, 2016 at 6:03 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Goosebump - April 5, 2016 at 1:21 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Losty - April 1, 2016 at 10:47 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 1, 2016 at 10:49 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Losty - April 1, 2016 at 10:53 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 1, 2016 at 11:13 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Losty - April 1, 2016 at 11:21 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Cyberman - April 1, 2016 at 10:53 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2016 at 10:59 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Redbeard The Pink - April 1, 2016 at 11:28 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Losty - April 1, 2016 at 11:34 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 11:51 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Losty - April 2, 2016 at 12:01 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2016 at 11:34 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Mudhammam - April 1, 2016 at 11:37 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 1, 2016 at 11:51 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Redbeard The Pink - April 2, 2016 at 12:00 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2016 at 12:12 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 2, 2016 at 12:20 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 2, 2016 at 12:29 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2016 at 12:41 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 2, 2016 at 12:49 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Redbeard The Pink - April 2, 2016 at 7:34 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Losty - April 2, 2016 at 12:11 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Mudhammam - April 2, 2016 at 12:27 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2016 at 12:59 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 2, 2016 at 1:03 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Mudhammam - April 2, 2016 at 2:52 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Losty - April 2, 2016 at 3:00 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2016 at 1:32 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Losty - April 2, 2016 at 1:35 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2016 at 1:45 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 2, 2016 at 1:53 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2016 at 1:57 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 2, 2016 at 2:16 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Losty - April 2, 2016 at 2:43 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2016 at 10:16 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Nay_Sayer - April 2, 2016 at 2:22 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Whateverist - April 2, 2016 at 1:49 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Alex K - April 2, 2016 at 1:54 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 2, 2016 at 2:28 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Alex K - April 2, 2016 at 3:51 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Nay_Sayer - April 2, 2016 at 3:08 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2016 at 2:38 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 2, 2016 at 2:52 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2016 at 9:35 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Silver - April 2, 2016 at 2:39 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Excited Penguin - April 2, 2016 at 3:17 am
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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Cyberman - April 2, 2016 at 9:42 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Redbeard The Pink - April 2, 2016 at 9:47 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2016 at 9:49 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 2, 2016 at 9:54 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Cyberman - April 2, 2016 at 9:56 am
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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 2, 2016 at 12:50 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by JuliaL - April 2, 2016 at 1:11 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 2, 2016 at 11:01 am
Proving God in 20 statements - by LadyForCamus - April 2, 2016 at 12:53 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Alex K - April 2, 2016 at 2:07 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by FatAndFaithless - April 2, 2016 at 2:12 pm
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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 2, 2016 at 3:12 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Time Traveler - April 2, 2016 at 4:12 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by deleteduser12345 - April 2, 2016 at 2:19 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Brian37 - April 2, 2016 at 2:26 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2016 at 2:52 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2016 at 3:05 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Mudhammam - April 3, 2016 at 12:22 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Redbeard The Pink - April 3, 2016 at 2:37 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by LastPoet - April 2, 2016 at 7:21 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Minimalist - April 4, 2016 at 10:39 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 4, 2016 at 10:49 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Ravenshire - April 4, 2016 at 11:16 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 4, 2016 at 11:34 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 4, 2016 at 11:55 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 5, 2016 at 12:18 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Minimalist - April 4, 2016 at 10:59 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 4, 2016 at 11:10 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Losty - April 5, 2016 at 1:29 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 4, 2016 at 11:15 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 4, 2016 at 11:25 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Nay_Sayer - April 4, 2016 at 11:30 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 4, 2016 at 11:32 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 5, 2016 at 12:34 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Alex K - April 5, 2016 at 1:50 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 5, 2016 at 1:55 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Whateverist - April 5, 2016 at 8:31 am
Proving God in 20 statements - by LadyForCamus - April 5, 2016 at 9:21 am
Proving God in 20 statements - by LadyForCamus - April 5, 2016 at 9:33 am
Proving God in 20 statements - by LadyForCamus - April 5, 2016 at 9:43 am
Proving God in 20 statements - by LadyForCamus - April 5, 2016 at 10:19 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 5, 2016 at 10:48 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Whateverist - April 5, 2016 at 11:55 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Time Traveler - April 5, 2016 at 1:01 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Mister Agenda - April 5, 2016 at 1:19 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by The Grand Nudger - April 5, 2016 at 4:32 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 6:23 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Alex K - April 6, 2016 at 6:26 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 6:33 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Whateverist - April 6, 2016 at 6:50 am

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