RE: Proving God in 20 statements
April 2, 2016 at 12:26 pm
(This post was last modified: April 2, 2016 at 12:44 pm by smfortune.)
(April 2, 2016 at 10:59 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:(April 1, 2016 at 10:44 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Insulting the Staff over points of forum rules. I can see this ending well.
I have to wonder if the OP, having been stopped by a policeman for a blatant traffic violation but let off with a stern warning, would respond by insulting the policeman.
Intelligent, that.
Ummm, the police have real authority. You're kind of getting off on mall cop authority. Why are you making this an issue anyway?
(April 2, 2016 at 9:35 am)MysticKnight Wrote:Greatest is necessarily singular. St. Anslem in the 11th century first presented the ontological argument with the rationale that if anything greater could be conceived then it was not the greatest. The greatest belongs to only God. For 10 centuries this hasn't (to my knowledge) been contentious. It is definitionally true. Recall that even Bertrand Russell conceded that the ontological argument was sound and only later retract by saying it may be unsound (because it felt fallacious) without being able to precisely identify the fallacy.(April 2, 2016 at 2:52 am)smfortune Wrote: (1) Eu iff Ku - the Universe is only explained if and only if there is a complete and consistent explanation of the Universe. This is true or else it would only be partially or imperfectly explained. (2) For all x, x is complete and consistent only if x is infinite. This is from Gödel's incompleteness theorem. (3) Ix iff Gx. An infinite explanation of the Universe is logically equivalent with the greatest explanation of the Universe. It must be infinite to include all true statements and thus be the greatest explantion imaginable. If it can be improved on, it is not the greatest or infinite. and (4) For all x, if x is the greatest, x refers to God. This is by definition true.
Oh ok, but that doesn't have to be necessarily true. This is assuming first that there is only one greatest explanation of the universe, while an Atheist can argue, from all we know perspective, there maybe many possible greatest explanations. Some that we theory about and some that we don't. 2nd the greatest explanation may the true one or it maybe a false one from a logical stand point.