Mind is the brain?

[bennyboy]

I did no such thing, I've answered your question already.  You were given the definition of a computer some pages back.  It's a fairly full definition - as another poster pointed out, I described a turing complete system.  There are simpler computers, but none I would consider a candidate for mind, and so, irrelevant.  If it fits that definition, it's a comp system., and I'd call it a candidate for mind.  Much of the stuff sitting under your desk is dust and flooring.  I assumed I wouldn't have to explain that dust and flooring aren't part of your pc, or a part of your comp system any more than the melon you -refuse- to post with is.   I fail to see the relevance in any case, unless you also think that your dust and flooring are part of your mind you're simply sending us down the rabbit hole -yet again.

The dodge never ends. Clearly, there are parts of the thing called "computer" which do not do any computing. Therefore, the computer is actually a subsystem of the thing under my desk-- but you won't attempt to identify which things, because you know it'll be a fuckfest.

You could choose to conceptualize them as being part of your pc, it would be silly, but it would certainly open up plenty of things to prevaricate upon...as is clearly your intention.

My intention is to separate those elements essential to the computer (or the comp mind) from those which are not. You cannot and will not do this: you demand that not only do parts which actually do computing be called "computer," I must include those systems which do not do computing-- apparently because they happen to be inside a box I call "computer."

Until you can accept that "computer" and "computation" refers to something specific, and that your pc doesn't run on magic. . .

I've never claimed a pc runs on magic. YOU have claimed that a computer is a definite, specific, thing. Either that thing includes its power source or it does not. You attempt to isolate as a discrete object something that is part of a broad-reaching web of systems. There is no actual cut-line in the process between your computer and mine, or my computer and a power station. So why do you make the cut in your mind?

Just because you see a box as a thing. This is the same as your brain-waving. You insist mind is brain, but when challenged to say what about brain is mind, you cannot and would not.