(March 20, 2011 at 3:52 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: The bible flat out says that God created the earth..if that isnt a material creation, then all that I know about the definitions of "material" and "creation" are absolutely WRONG.Capital letters make you right huh?
I'm afraid if you look at it accurately rev, you will find there is only one possible interpretation. And guess which one that might be?
This is Hebrew and not English. the English words are best approximations of the meaning. Like I've explained to you the words don't mean what you're trying to make them mean. don't take my word for it tho'... go look into it yourself.
(March 20, 2011 at 3:52 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote:Did you read what I put at all? Did I mention spiritual? No - you did. Did I explain that it 's very clear from the text that there is nothing material described. Seriously... you have to make up the slant you're putting on the text. And still your understanding makes no sense. Doesn't that strike you as illogical?Fr0d0 Wrote:God didn't produce man out of dirt... he formed him from the dirt. He formed Eve from a rib ...this isn't meant to be literal.. it's showing God ordering everything. Separating and making sense out of chaos.WRONG! In the first chapter of Genesis, it has your god creating both male and females in his own image PHYSICALLY out of thin air..out of nothing:
Benesis chapter 1 Wrote:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”This all sounds VERY physical and material based. I dont see anything about spiritual..well..spiritual ANYTHING in these verses other than god is a spirit creating real, material objects and species.
(March 20, 2011 at 3:52 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: honestly, this is very embarrassing for you. You dont even know your religions creation myth? You have to have an atheist show you the first chapter of genesis?Enlightenment is always good Rev. you should be open to the idea that you might be wrong... otherwise how do we all learn. Don't be narrow minded like those fantasy people you revile.
