(April 13, 2016 at 10:07 am)Rhythm Wrote: Then rocks -do- have a mind, a gazillion maximally simplistic ones, in fact.That kind of abuses the word "have," but okay.
Quote:I wonder what qualia would be to a mind with no sensory, for example? I'm not even sure we'd be talking about the same thing at the point that rocks or photons experience, I don't think the same term would be suitable for a rocks experience, and a human being's. I think I'll stick with calling what happens in the rock material interaction, and what happens in us, mind. I promise I'll reassess when a rock gives me reason to suspect otherwise (or when you decide to help the poor rock out on that count).Your strawman continues. Nobody said a rock has a mind.
Quote:Right. That's your position. My position is that you are drawing an arbitrary line in the sand of physics, and labeling the function on one side "mind," and that on the other "not mind." But this isn't really a theory of mind-- it's just an expression of the human tendency to define terms.Quote:Let's put it this way with a thought experiment. Let's say you've identified a physical system that processes data in certain ways that you call "mind," and then you pull out a QM particle. Is it still "mind"?So long as the system continues to function, I don't see why it wouldn't be. If, for whatever circumstance, the loss of that qm particle caused the system to fail, then no.
Quote:Not even wrong, still insufficient. Physical interactions continue regardless of whether some system fits the definition of a comp system, sure, and?. . . and I believe there's no non-arbitrary line between those systems you accept to be mindful and those that are. In short, nothing special happens in data retention, or in certain kinds of processing that you are talking about. No field is generated, no new physical property supervenes, no unifying principle coalesces.
Quote: I'm not talking about -all- physical interactions. If I were, it would be the Physical Interaction theory of Mind, eh? Neither of us are particularly interested in -all- physical interactions or processes when we discuss mind, plenty occur, mind seems rarer in comparison.That's like saying you're not interested in all matter, desks seem rarer in comparison. I'm exactly saying that all physical interactions represent mental events, and that psychogony is not a supervenient property.