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Why all god claims fail.
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RE: Why all god claims fail.
(April 13, 2016 at 10:29 am)ChadWooters Wrote:
(April 12, 2016 at 9:23 pm)Brian37 Wrote: As soon as you postulate a super hero as the cause of that cycle, then it begs the question as to what caused that super hero, and what caused that super hero and so on. The problem is called "infinite regress".

So what then is your solution to the infinite regress?

This problem of infinite applies only to any sequence in which potential posterior causes necessarily depend on actual prior causes. The dependency of the posterior on the prior is what distinguishes an accidentally order sequence from an essentially ordered one. The solution to an infinite regress in an essentially ordered sequence is having a fully actualized initial member to the series, a first cause, that is not contingent upon any other. In your words, that would be a "super hero" the greater than which cannot be conceived.

However, if you believe all causal chains are accidental sequences, then of course, a world of non-contingent causes could extend into the infinite past without contradiction. This position comes at great cost. Such a world would be absurd since there would be no reason for posterior causes to follow prior causes. You can assert that they do as a "brute fact" but that is the opposite of supplying a reason. It's a simple choice based on blind faith about in what type of world you believe we live.

I gave you the answer in the OP. Something or nothing, finite or infinite does not need a cognition as a starting point. If you can accept the seasons of the planet changing without a god, just like lightening does not need Thor to be the gap answer, than the universe can also simply be either a finite thing, or the result of the end of another season that lead to our big bang. Just like a light can be off, get turned on, then go off again. 


Now here is what  real scientist has to say about "nothing".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbsGYRArH_w
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Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 12, 2016 at 9:23 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by ignoramus - April 12, 2016 at 9:51 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by vorlon13 - April 12, 2016 at 10:05 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by vorlon13 - April 12, 2016 at 10:06 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by ignoramus - April 12, 2016 at 11:29 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by AFTT47 - April 13, 2016 at 2:42 am
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 13, 2016 at 7:47 am
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by robvalue - April 13, 2016 at 8:44 am
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by vorlon13 - April 13, 2016 at 8:51 am
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Neo-Scholastic - April 13, 2016 at 10:29 am
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 13, 2016 at 2:31 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by robvalue - April 13, 2016 at 10:32 am
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Neo-Scholastic - April 13, 2016 at 10:56 am
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Doubting Thomas - April 13, 2016 at 5:38 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 13, 2016 at 6:16 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Drich - April 14, 2016 at 12:53 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by RozKek - April 14, 2016 at 4:45 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Drich - April 16, 2016 at 11:20 am
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 14, 2016 at 1:04 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Drich - April 14, 2016 at 1:27 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by RozKek - April 14, 2016 at 4:47 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Neo-Scholastic - April 14, 2016 at 8:07 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by RozKek - April 15, 2016 at 2:32 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Neo-Scholastic - April 15, 2016 at 4:16 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 15, 2016 at 4:49 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Neo-Scholastic - April 15, 2016 at 5:53 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by abaris - April 15, 2016 at 6:06 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Neo-Scholastic - April 15, 2016 at 9:47 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 16, 2016 at 10:35 am
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by RozKek - April 17, 2016 at 10:04 am
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Drich - April 16, 2016 at 11:28 am
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by RozKek - April 17, 2016 at 9:55 am
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 14, 2016 at 1:45 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Neo-Scholastic - April 14, 2016 at 2:27 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 14, 2016 at 2:33 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Drich - April 14, 2016 at 3:34 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by FebruaryOfReason - April 14, 2016 at 3:43 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Simon Moon - April 14, 2016 at 3:55 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Drich - April 14, 2016 at 4:27 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by RozKek - April 14, 2016 at 4:52 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Neo-Scholastic - April 14, 2016 at 2:39 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 14, 2016 at 2:50 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Neo-Scholastic - April 14, 2016 at 3:20 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 14, 2016 at 3:28 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by RozKek - April 14, 2016 at 4:56 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 14, 2016 at 3:41 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Ignorant - April 14, 2016 at 4:36 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 14, 2016 at 4:50 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Ignorant - April 14, 2016 at 5:09 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 14, 2016 at 3:50 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Drich - April 14, 2016 at 4:24 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 14, 2016 at 4:45 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Doubting Thomas - April 14, 2016 at 4:11 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Ignorant - April 14, 2016 at 4:43 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Crossless1 - April 14, 2016 at 4:13 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 14, 2016 at 4:23 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by abaris - April 14, 2016 at 5:44 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 14, 2016 at 6:16 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by abaris - April 14, 2016 at 6:19 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 14, 2016 at 7:24 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by abaris - April 14, 2016 at 7:31 pm
Why all god claims fail. - by LadyForCamus - April 15, 2016 at 9:30 am
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 15, 2016 at 1:40 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by FebruaryOfReason - April 15, 2016 at 5:55 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Neo-Scholastic - April 15, 2016 at 9:51 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by FebruaryOfReason - April 16, 2016 at 6:45 am
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by RoadRunner79 - April 16, 2016 at 11:35 am
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by FebruaryOfReason - April 16, 2016 at 12:28 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by RoadRunner79 - April 16, 2016 at 12:52 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by FebruaryOfReason - April 16, 2016 at 1:04 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by abaris - April 16, 2016 at 1:13 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by RoadRunner79 - April 16, 2016 at 1:24 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by FebruaryOfReason - April 16, 2016 at 1:27 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Neo-Scholastic - April 16, 2016 at 7:18 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 17, 2016 at 10:56 am
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by ApeNotKillApe - April 15, 2016 at 4:20 pm
Why all god claims fail. - by LadyForCamus - April 15, 2016 at 8:14 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by FebruaryOfReason - April 16, 2016 at 7:05 am
Why all god claims fail. - by LadyForCamus - April 15, 2016 at 9:54 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Shadow_Man - April 16, 2016 at 1:59 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by FebruaryOfReason - April 16, 2016 at 2:38 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Shadow_Man - April 21, 2016 at 6:36 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 16, 2016 at 2:12 pm
Why all god claims fail. - by LadyForCamus - April 16, 2016 at 9:54 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Excited Penguin - April 16, 2016 at 10:05 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 17, 2016 at 10:16 am
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Cyberman - April 17, 2016 at 10:53 am
Why all god claims fail. - by LadyForCamus - April 17, 2016 at 10:58 am
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 17, 2016 at 11:03 am
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Cyberman - April 17, 2016 at 11:10 am
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 17, 2016 at 11:19 am
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Neo-Scholastic - April 17, 2016 at 12:50 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 17, 2016 at 1:10 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by robvalue - April 17, 2016 at 11:14 am
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 17, 2016 at 1:26 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Cyberman - April 17, 2016 at 12:56 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 17, 2016 at 1:23 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Neo-Scholastic - April 18, 2016 at 1:55 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 19, 2016 at 10:59 am
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Cyberman - April 17, 2016 at 1:24 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Cyberman - April 17, 2016 at 1:30 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by Brian37 - April 17, 2016 at 1:33 pm
RE: Why all god claims fail. - by robvalue - April 17, 2016 at 3:28 pm
Why all god claims fail. - by LadyForCamus - April 19, 2016 at 10:54 am

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