The main reason I'm an atheist

[drfuzzy]

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Why, because it leaves you a gap to fill in with your yoga gods?




This again?


The "start" of evolution is called abiogenesis, and it is a separate phenomenon from evolution. Evolution only explains how life changes over time from generation to generation. It does not explain how life started because it isn't supposed to. That would be the job of abiogenesis.


Furthermore, we don't know nothing about abiogenesis, we just don't have a complete diagram of it yet. We do, however, know a few things about some of the materials and processes that must have been involved, and it turns out that magic hasn't shown itself to be a necessary component. Life is based on biochemistry, which is based on organic chemistry, which is based on regular chemistry. All of the processes and elements behind life are naturally occurring, as far as we can tell. There's no evidence that conscious intervention is needed to get any of it going.


So evolution isn't useful against creationism because it shows how life started; it's useful against creationism because it shows us problems with other parts of most people's creation myths (men being made of dirt and god-breath, all of earth's people and animals dying in a flood a few thousand years ago, snakes not having legs at the supposed time of the Garden of Eden story...the list goes on).


To put it simply, evolution is a fact. There is no legitimate debate between evolutionists and creationists about whether evolution is a real thing. Creationists are desperate to disprove evolution because they think that doing so will add legitimacy to their claims, but in reality even if evolution were overturned tomorrow it still wouldn't get us any closer to establishing that the Universe was created by a god.


Besides, why do you care about the creation vs. evolution argument? I thought you believed in yoga magic. What does that have to do with the creation of the Universe?

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Pinky.  

Why do I care about the creation vs. evolution argument?
Simple.
Because both those who only believe in creation and those who only believe in evolution are dead wrong.
Evolution follow creation so both are real.
Secondly because most atheists rely heavily on evolution to say that the universe and life in it can well do without God but evolution follow creation so God is needed to start the lot.

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Abiogenesis is all about theories.
Tons of it as you can see in here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

So many people guess and guess but none of them ever thought that from nothing you get nothing so
consciousness has got to be a factor in evolution therefore there got to be someone who originate this consciousness and create the universe.  

So, Sickky Rikky, you have no concept of what "theory" means, huh?  No surprise there.
And when you finally post a link to what you think are facts, it's a WIKIPEDIA article.  You do know that wikipedia articles are banned from being cited in the majority of high schools and colleges on this planet, right?  That's because they are crowd-sourced and frequently contain errors and incomplete information.  (At least, that's how we explain it to 14-year-olds.)
If you post credible, peer-reviewed sources, you might actually get some folks here to discuss some of your ideas.  You keep referring to some teachers' "research" - well, then, provide that research, or it doesn't exist. ALL we ever get from you is unsupported claims.  The same idiotic unprovable babble over and over.  And you call US stupid.       PROVE some of your crap or shut the fuck up.  
Blue quote: (if I can manage to translate this from your mangled attempt at the English language) this first-cause argument from ignorance has been posted ad nauseam hundreds of times on this forum, always without a shred of reliable scientific evidence, and consistently refuted.  We prefer a simple "we don't know, not enough data" to "well there has to be a creator, therefore, gawd!".