RE: Necessary Thing
April 16, 2016 at 3:01 pm
(This post was last modified: April 16, 2016 at 3:04 pm by TheRocketSurgeon.)
(April 16, 2016 at 2:57 pm)Ignorant Wrote: Can you show me where I put forth this argument? Any follow-up questions I ask are for clarification sake. I want to make sure I've understood people correctly.
I mean... are my questions/responses really that disturbing to you? I know full well that even if there WERE a necessary thing and we could verify its existence, that in itself doesn't mean god exists. Any rational person who seriously considers it must conclude that. How many times do I have to say that before I can explore this philosophical topic in this philosophy thread in my own way?
That's the "playing coy" part. No one is saying that you have. It's simply that you're getting the reaction you do because so many have done so in the past.
If that's your actual position (I hope!), then I hope you stick around until those irrational people show up, so you can help us explain it to them. It's much more effective coming from a fellow believer than from an atheist, whom they are taught to believe is simply "misguided by Satan" (or "hatred of God", or whatever).
Edit to Add: We must ask your forgiveness for our skeptical/suspicious nature, on these topics. Burned by theists toooooo many times. It's not your fault, and I will endeavor not to hold their actions against you. We simply suspect it whenever we see the "playing coy" (where did I say that!?!), after it was strongly implied at the least, approach.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.