(April 16, 2016 at 11:28 am)Drich Wrote:(April 14, 2016 at 4:47 pm)RozKek Wrote: Are you saying philosophy is more logical than science? It's the other way around, science starts out with logic and reason.
And don't mix up theory with hypothesis. Theories are well supported. Your god claims aren't. You're asking "what if" without elaborating.
No.
I am pointing out the OP started out as philosophical discussion. Once the OP-er got his teeth kick in Philosophically he moved the goalpost by changing the philosophical discussion and made it a scientific one.
All 'nature of God/Proof of God' discussions at one time where philosophical by nature either because their was no 'science' or as late as the 20th century all things in science were attributed to how Hod made things work.
Once the philosophers got tired at loosing all their philosophical arguments they tried and turned the limited viewing lens of 'science' onto God. As the Nature of God (philosophically speaking) Can not lend it self to science, people like you and the OP have created a 'no win' argument. If God can be proven by science then philosophically he can no longer be considered God, or as the OP is trying to say because 'science' can not identify God their can be no God.. Which is a false assumption as science can not account for a 1/3 of the known universe let alone what it does not know.
Hold on, are you having philsophical discussion to win them or to actually learn something and figure things out? If it's because you want to find the answer to something, then what is the problem of introducing science? Also if God can't lend itself to science, then you can't prove God, there is no evidence favoring his existence, therefore I conclude that God doesn't exist. And if God can't lend itself to science, does that mean that God isn't material? Is there any evidence for the existence of the immaterial? And how does "science can not account for 1/3 of the known universe" leave room for God? Elaborate. Our understanding and knowledge is expanding. The only reason we don't know everything about the universe is because fortunately everyone doesn't have the creationist mindset. Instead of making shit up, we find out scientifically and that is more than just assumptions and arguments.
Like the others have said, put your God in a lab then come back.