Pornography - are you for or against it and why?

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Ok, let me try this again. You don't give a convicted killer or a psychopath a gun do you? No there are protections in place, it still happens and is a great societal tragedy. There are no such restrictions on porn. The dumbest teenager can still click yes that they are over 18 and access pornography. It's in ads and popups all over the web. I'd have way less of a problem with pornography if they had some standards and put some safeguards in place. Examples for instance:
1- abolish all free porn or at least make it illegal to transmit. Then it would actually be a lot harder for minors to have acces to porn. It would also make illegal porn easier to track and prosecute. I know it's impractical, but I think it would have a positive impact.

And why stop "minors" from accessing porn in the first place. Wasn't the statistic that most of us have had sex by 14?

I think you would see many people engaging in illegal activities, and the porn industry hardly impacted at all. Shall we stop selling guns because sometimes they wind up in the hands of villains (who are going to get them anyway)?

2- Convicted child molestors/ rapists get therapy, their IP tracked and regular computer scans (or maybe some accountability software).

Rapists are average people that lost the battle between what is 'right' and what they want. Just as most thievery is spontaneous, I would suggest most rape is so. Plenty of the average people torture themselves mentally over having done such a thing afterward. The ones that are a threat worthy of watching are the repeat offenders, who you might as well shoot.

3- Convicted Child molesters/ rapists get blacklisted (kind of like Vegas casinos) by the reputable network of porn sites.

Ummm... why? Should be no child porn at those "reputable" sites. Those who are attracted to children should probably stick with anime/hentai/whatever-you-want-to-call-it.

4- Issue some sort of artistic liscense to producers (just a written contract to not intentionally produce something illegal)

???? Didn't you sign this 'do nothing illegal' contract when you became a united states citizen? What more do you need than to note what is illegal?

I do think that pedophiles should be consigned to sexual actions. I think it's ludicrous to exploit and molest children so that sick individuals can get their rock off.

It is infact illegal, so what are you on about? Also, they are going to get their "rock off" whether they have images to do it or not.

If they can't control their urges and get caught, they get real help and a target on their back or get dead. I don't want to eliminate a sickos legal outlet for release. That's not what I'm saying at all. However it's feeding their fantasies and building their urges more often then releasing them from the cycle.They shouldn't have to supress those urges (or allowed to act on them of course), they should be able to get help for them, which they won't do if they can reenforce those fantasies in privacy.

So because some people eat poor food... they should eat nothing at all. Brilliant. And my stance is that some 'children' are attractive, and plenty of 'minors' the same. Going to hang me because I have come to terms with myself and found that to be something less than your ideal human being? Be honest tacky: what's the difference in form between a 17 year old and an 18 year old?

Take that argument a step further... is the difference really so significant between a 14 year old and an 18 year old? I know a girl that's looked right about the same since she was 12, and she's 18 now and the only noticeable change to her appearance is she wears more makeup now and is about 3-4 inches taller, her bust marginally larger, and her right arm has been broken an additional time or three.

Now, when we start talking about people that haven't even entered puberty and people are attracted to them: they've still got two arms, two legs, a head, probably hair on that head, and perhaps more similarities. Does it really disturb you that some people find such attractive? Perhaps you (like me) hate innocence in sexual material... but I don't despise others for appreciating such/being attracted to it. I hate chocolate and rarely eat it but don't hate chocolate lovers.

If we can't trust the porn industry to police itself and no one else is policing it, it's just a breeding ground for illegal activity. I have nothing against a normal adult making, selling, buying, watching or enjoying 2 other consenting adults (which is another conversation entirely) sex acts. What I have a problem with is rampant greed, demand and lack of concern for societal morality (such as child abuse, rape, monogamy, physical abuse, drug abuse) being the only controls on an industry that closely ties in with the basest human urges.

So... you're against capitalism, especially unrestrained. So am I. But your societal morality doesn't concern me near so much. Especially monogamy, why is that even in this list?

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No there is no direct causal link I can think of to go from happy legal porn viewer, to sick pedophile. I'm not equating the two, persay. When I see categories in legal porn like rape (even though the legal stuff is all fake), hitting women, dressing up women to seem of illegal age, cheating on your spouse, old on young, abuse of authority (schoolgirls, fucking the babysitter, daddy's girl etc.) they have nothing to do with artistic enterprise and frankly they disgust me.

Thank you for denying all of us who want to easily insert ourselves into sex where we are being dominated/dominating of our ability to do so out of your disgust for them. Porn isn't all about art... just as fast food is not all about fine cuisine. Stick to 'erotica' or whatever you call it if what you are looking for is sexual art.

They're fundamentally about objectifying and devaluing another person and encourage people to fantacise about breaking the law. A delicate mental dominate/ submission roleplaying is one thing, it's portrayed as concensual. Creating a looks like a snuff, pedophile or rape film, is not something that I can support from an industry, however legal it may be.

It's about attaching a value to what is otherwise a bag of meat: attractiveness. These person-less bodies have zero value to you outside of what you give them. Therefore you cannot be devaluing them when you are increasing how valuable they are.

And objectification isn't bad. Why would it be? I objectify every thing I see. And people are things too. What is to be gained by not noting a thing for what it is? 0.o

For instance, if McDonalds started making whale burgers and promoted them as "get them before they're extinct" I think a lot of people would have issues with it. That would bring that whole chain's percieved social bias down, it's the same opinion I have for the porn industry.

Except that whale burgers are really disgusting and hard to obtain, and that goes against McDonald's MO: quick satisfaction for a quick buck. Cow is quick, easy to come by, easy to raise en masse. More likely is for a fancy restaurant to advertise whale before it goes extinct. And I for one do not have any problem with it. What the fuck are whales doing for us anyway?

There is a definite line betwen pedophelia and consensual sex, but the industry intentionally tries to blur the line, which is a practice I can't support, because I feel it reenforces real pedophile/abuse fantasies only increasing the drive and urges for those things. I would just prefer we try and out the "closet" pedophiles instead of catering to their fantasies.

Please stop equating contributory factors with prime factors. Prime factor is that people don't have enough control over their desires. Making them even more ignorant of their lack of control is not going to improve their control.

As far as my blood lust, idk, I'm trying to be more of an asshole Christian, so I'm tring new things and commenting on things I usually would have no opinion on at all, like porn and politics.Oh and I hope I conveyed to try and help them fBEFORE killing them. But frankly if you're going to feed energy to a time bomb, not be able to diffuse it and then expect it not to go off, I'd at least like to see it prevented from hurting anyone (locked up for life).

Tacky has bloodlust? 0.o I don't think so. Acceptance and encouragement of harsh solutions does not mean one loves everything about the harsh solutions.

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R you advocating an industry that encourages these unhealthy fantasies and urges?

You are the christian, not us.

This matters... how??? 0.o

I'm plenty christian. I keep Christmas in my heart all year round ^_^ Though I admit that it is because of Charles Dickens and other such people's classic, not any holy text

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