Pornography - are you for or against it and why?

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4-Why stop minors from accessing porn? Because it's illegal. There is a legal age and classification of a minor for a reason. It variable based on localized societies, but at least it’s established. Once again I have little problem with the legal porn industry. I think it’s doing itself, and society, a disservice by catering to illegal desires and urges.

I would suggest you not presume law to be either correct, rational, or effective. The 'reason' there is a legal age and classification of 'minor' is to serve an already existing system. Change the system and there no longer is use in the same capacity (ie: class of 2010 nonsense).

Established is also nonsynonomous with correct, intelligent, rational, anything really beyond that it goes as generally accepted. It was once established that taking a bath reduced your chances of survival.

If it *is* catering to illegal things (ie: child porn???), then there is either a problem with those that are breaking the laws or those who are making them... possibly both.

5-Put simply I feel fantasizing about illegal activities increases the compulsion to take illegal actions. Not to say that some people can’t enjoy rape/abuse/snuff/child porn (fake or otherwise) and not act on those urges, but some do. That to me is abhorrent enough to do away with it entirely. It is illegal for those types of porn, but the legal enterprise , IMO is trying to end run around the legality for greed alone. I don’t support an industry that chases greed and encourages illegal activity by promotion without care for societal ramifications.

I don't disagree. Why does nobody rebel in Russia? It's because nobody thinks a rebellion could succeed. Holding a fantasy of doing so is scarcely likely to morph into a reality of you trying to do so (indeed, tis only a coincidence that a rebellion also occurred).

Because some people do bad things with their guns, you would deny me mine?

Having a gun is not abhorrent, though I am more of a knife girl myself. Less chance of me failing to use it properly.

Please stop describing the evils of capitalism as reason to delegalize something. I agree that capitalism is evil. I don't agree that things should be banned because people take advantage of them. Ban what is broken: porn is not broken.

If you do not support an industry that "chases greed and encourages illegal activity by promotion without care for societal ramifications." then you are denying every industry. The 'bottom line' is all that those running these industries are worried about, and people partake in them because of the same bottom line. Does this honestly surprise you?

6-Honestly Sae there’s little difference between the form of a 17-18. Age of consent isn’t even established in all communities. Some are at the onset of having your period, some are 14-15. There are Romeo and Juliet laws for 2 consenting minor to have sex. I have no problems with a 13 and 15year old couple having sex (in a social sense, I do personally with my own son and daughter) … what I have a problem with is an adult watching it/filming it/selling it/forcing it/exploiting it.

Exploitation has such a negative connotation. I don't think it so negative to 'exploit' what you can. I think many who complain of it are QQers that blow things out of proportion. /enddigress

I'm glad you don't think the problem is where minor's and sec are concerned. I don't mind if people I invite to watch me have sex/video it/ sell it. I do mind those who force it, but that goes without saying i should think. Depends on how you mean 'exploiting'... if it's selling it in more places than I originally thought they would: whatever, good for them, enjoy. If it is bug my room so they can have additional things which i did not agree to: I will kill them.

7-Is the problem with the visual aesthetic of the form or something else? Could your 13yr old friend be built like an 18 yr old? Yes. I have a god-sister that looked 18 when she was 14 (DD, curvy and even intellectually mature for her age). But despite her intellect and rational ability to understand sex and its ramifications, the thought of someone taking advantage of her innocence (lack of experience and emotional vulnerability) sends me into a rage. Did I find her attractive... looking back I found her physically attractive like you would your sister, but not sexually attractive, even though the standards are practically the same. I’m not exactly sure the difference exactly, which is why I’m probably having such a time conveying my point.

Yes... i'm lost 0.o I hate innocence in sex/relationships. I was never terribly innocent... personalities before this one were all much more innocent than this. And I become less innocent as things continue to occur. I imagine I'll be a bitter old woman one day. Hope I'm dead by then

I do not understand the 'like you would your sister' followed by 'not sexually attractive' suggestion :S I have two sisters... one who is probably 15-16 years my senior, and the other who is 1.5 years my junior. The elder sister is moderately sexually attractive, the former is not remotely sexually attractive. I don't understand your point on the grounds that one of my sisters is sexually attractive and one of my nieces the same. I am also attracted to all of my elder brothers to an extent. However, I would never have sex with any of these people... as they would not want it from me and it would unnecessarily complicate our relationships on their end, a thing which I try to avoid when possible.

8-I have no problem with sex education in schools and home, but I don’t think porn is a good teacher. It objectifies and depersonalizes healthy relationships (instead of monogamy). Noting a thing for what it is, is fine. Devaluing relationships because you see your partner as nothing but a way to get off isn’t.

Porn is a better teacher than the sex education I was given throughout school, which was about like 1 day of it every 2 years or so. If it taught reasonable ways in which to have sex, I would agree with its institution... but I learned nothing from the 'eduction' of it in school. I had the internet, I learned these things already. I recall asking my mother if I could skip the day the first time, not sure why. I heaped it with the rest of the useless work by the time middle school came about ^_^ I learned sex through first porn and then trial and error with a boyfriend. So far I have had exactly zero complaints about how well I've done

Objectifying a thing is not unhealthy, and is infact necessary. The person is in that bag of flesh: know what the bag of flesh is. It devalues my relationships in no way at all for me to know that someone is in a human platform, and has pleasure centers here, there, and yonder which they appreciate being activated in our alone time together. I agree that if you see you're partner as nothing but a way to get off: there is something wrong... UNLESS you are paying for sex and they are not a partner past this agreement. Porn is not depersonalizing my relationships (healthy or unhealthy I'll never be sure), and is infact a good guide for what I would like to have done to me, and for what someone else might like being done to them.

9-I’m not saying we should ban porn, even if that would work. Legal porn is fine; I like chocolate you don’t, to each their own. I’m saying I’d like the porn industry to take some accountability for its affect on society and stop trying to cater to illegal demands blurring the lines of legality and encouraging/ promoting fantasies of rape, abuse and exploitation.

It does not blur the lines of legality any more than a movie about a war does by depicting people being shot/butchered/blown up/whatever. I do not have difficulty distinguishing between a real war and an acted war (real war is much worse, look to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Fro...ld_War_II) for an actual war).

I will, however, grant you that I wouldn't mind a lot of things many consider to be taboo or disgusting, and that porn likely had a hand in expanding my tastes to an extent. Being transexual has a lot more to do with my ever-expanding options though

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