Necessary Thing

[Ignorant]

Words don't contain any real magic.  Exist is a slippery word .. exist as an idea, exist as an object, exist if no one can perceive or conceive of it?  Add on necessarily and you have what?

Who is in any position to say what exists necessarily?  By that do you mean that it isn't possible for us to conceive of it not existing?  But is it possible for anything to exist without our being able to conceive of it?  How can any of us answer that?

These are just words and categories with dissonant associations, nothing to be alarmed about .. and nothing to figure out.  You've got the "exist" bee and the "necessarily" bee stuck in the same bottle and the resulting buzz is disturbing.  So let them out, let them go.

I agree that words don't contain any real magic, but they are the best we've got when it comes to expressing ideas. Some ideas even correspond to real things. At least that's how I see it.

Existence, at least for me, isn't a thing, but it is the most fundamental aspect which a thing does. Existence is a verb. If a thing is actually a thing, then (whatever it is) that must mean it is existing. Existence, therefore, is the nominal way by which we can describe the most fundamental "act" of any real thing. It is existing. If it isn't existing, then it can only be an idea of a thing rather than a thing actually existing.

I am not really interested in trying to conceive of what this necessary thing might be, at least not in this thread. I start with the dichotomy: either a thing is existing on the condition that another thing is also existing, or it is not. 

(1) Most things I observe and experience exist on the condition that some other thing is also existing => If that is true (and I am pretty sure it is), then EITHER (2) ALL things are existing on the condition that some other thing is existing OR (2) Some things are existing without the condition that some other thing exists. This thread is aimed at examining those 3 propositions.

True, proposition (1) is a bunch of words, but it more or less adequately expresses an idea which I think corresponds to reality. Either (2) or (3) follow from (1) when combined with some other observation or proposition.