(April 21, 2016 at 5:29 pm)Brian37 Wrote:Appeals to authority fail when simple reference material is cited that supports the arguments...(April 21, 2016 at 5:22 pm)Drich Wrote: that's my point sportress It only talks about framing those people in a negitive light. You asked me to evaluate their book on parenting. The article does not go into detail of the article just says what horrible people they are.
I am not like you. I can not/will not evaluate someone's work based on what i think of them personally. To me truth is truth no matter who or where it comes from. I do not discern truth based on what I think about someone. Therefore i can not make a judgement based on what the wiki page says about their book.
It says something about holding a child in cold water, and placing a cookie in front of a toddler and telling them no.
I've done both.
I've had a kid with 104.5*F fever and he was delirious I held him down in an Ice bath while he struggled to get his temp down.
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Then I have had a whole bowl of M&Ms on a coffee table set out for guests and told the kids not to touch it.
Does that make me a bad person? Is Putting a kid in freezing wate ALWAYS a bad thing? No it can save a life or at the very least prevent brain damage. again Context frames the truth. Now if you weren't an easily manipulated douche, and you read the actual book this web page cherry picks from and you see these two examples framed out like this or in a similar fashion does it mean these 'supposedly bad people' did something wrong?
No.
But again the web page does not do that. It cherry picks two instances and fills an empty mind with a "kill the messenger and you will have destroyed the message" sentiment.
And this is what you want me to do. you want me to look at what someone says makes these people bad, and condem the work before I even can evaluate it.
That is what I'm saying is the majority approach done here to me. attack the messenger because he can't spell, attack the messenger because his values are different, attack the messenger's up bringing, love, empathy, or fill in the blank at any one of the things you "good people" have done.
Not one of you has yet addressed the message. Not one of you has gone point by point line by line as i do with each on my responses. Just stories of past tragic failures, of broken people taking the easy way out of disipline and training by literally going through the motions, but non of the follow up.
So no. I will not be like one of you. i can not comment on a book when the information given is about the author.
No, the truth is you are not a college degree child psychiatrist or psychologist. Gaining submission through force isn't all there is to a kid's brain. But, considering you worship an authoritarian god not surprising you cant understand how wrong you are using simplistic binary black and white thinking.
I've already done that.
Do and try to keep up old sport.
