FebruaryOfReason,
If you are asking whether the proposition of God violates causality, then the answer is yes, it does. Observations we have made within our universe support the concept of causality - all things have a cause. But the very existence of the universe seems to demand violation of causality - either the universe itself was uncaused, or whatever caused it was uncaused. But if Brian37 wants to use causality to refute God, then he must accept that it also refutes the very thing that he claims to be the only plausible alternative option, and seems to refute the very existence of the universe itself.
It is interesting that the very analogy Brian37 used to support his alternative to postulating an infinite cognition as the starting point of eternity (the light switch) itself demands cognition.
Ok.
Regards,
Shadow_Man
FebruaryOfReason Wrote:I presume the Abrahamic notion of God - forbidder of shellfish and homosexuality, murderer of his own son, drowner of humanity etc - is not at all subject to such problems of infinite regress?
If you are asking whether the proposition of God violates causality, then the answer is yes, it does. Observations we have made within our universe support the concept of causality - all things have a cause. But the very existence of the universe seems to demand violation of causality - either the universe itself was uncaused, or whatever caused it was uncaused. But if Brian37 wants to use causality to refute God, then he must accept that it also refutes the very thing that he claims to be the only plausible alternative option, and seems to refute the very existence of the universe itself.
It is interesting that the very analogy Brian37 used to support his alternative to postulating an infinite cognition as the starting point of eternity (the light switch) itself demands cognition.
FebruaryOfReason Wrote:OK, here is my statement of faith (and it is a faith).
The day that anyone postulates - and successfully tests - an idea that overcomes the flaws in our current understanding of the origin of the universe, is the day we discover a far more detailed, rigorous, empowering and useful idea than the ridiculous notion that "Some guy did it all in seven days and made a woman from a rib".
On that day you will have to generalise your idea of God by yet another order of magnitude to keep him safe from the encroachments of science. You will have to write off a few thousand more bible verses as "just metaphors, not meant to be taken literally".
Yes, I have no evidence for my belief. No, I don't feel in the slightest bit obliged to justify my belief that a made up book of old rubbish cobbled together 1,700 years ago (or 1,400 years ago for that matter) will correspond even vaguely to the awesome truths uncovered by that new idea.
Ok.
Regards,
Shadow_Man
