Pornography - are you for or against it and why?

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4- The small point you’re conceding to is the only point I’m trying to make, and it’s the reason I don’t support the porn industry and voted no. Rape, child molestation, spousal abuse is illegal because they have victims. People can watch all the porn they want and never think of the repercussions of their influence on demand. I say there is a considerable increase in urges when you bombard your brain with repetitive fantasies and fortify that with chemical rewards in the brain. I think this increases, needlessly, or at the least contributes to an increase in demand and acting on those impulses. I think this does break the intent of the law which is to prevent more victimization, and is poor business ethics to bend the rules so that you’re clearly simulating illegal activity.

Making a thing illegal means that it is occurring naturally and you want it to stop. Porn 'artists' or whatever are not simulating an illegal activity to expand their business: they are simulating an activity people desire to expand their business, Remove the illegality of it, and it will remain. Reinstate the illegality of it, and it will remain.

Rape is hardwired into us as a result of the disgusting natural device that is the survival of the most lucky... where every abhorrent thing you can do to get ahead at the expense of others of your group increases your chances of propagating your DNA. Not to mention the nonexistence of consent in the beginning of it all.

6- This is another point we’re just going to have to disagree on. We’re from 2 different worlds on this. I would never intentionally exploit anything I valued, and I value human life. I don’t live by the selfish principle and I don’t instill that in my children. I don’t think we can reach common ground on this either.

I'm honest about my exploitation of things. I also am a chronic donator. I understand that I enjoy giving people things, therefore even when I give to them: i am exploiting them to my own end (feeling better). I intentionally hang out with people I like because I enjoy them being there (am though often unconsciously, i realize I am exploiting them because of this). Me exploiting people doesn't bug me in the slightest. I cannot escape a selfish principle, no matter how much I give without killing myself. And suicide to give to others because it's what I want to do is as selfish as it gets.

8-I would consider regulating anything that pretended to be illegal like: rape, incest, minor sex, abuse, snuff films, etc. Catering to these activities when they are intended to be real encourages people to fantasize about doing said activities and increases their compunction to act them out. They might not necessarily act on them, but let’s face it; Generally, people are weak willed and do whatever pleases them. The very purpose for porn is to get you involved enough emotionally so that it “feels real” which is different than a war movie telling a story. It’s meant to draw you in and it can be addictive. I see legal porn generally as having little productive value compared to real life, but people should be allowed to watch it. I specifically find the fact that there is legal porn faking illegal acts so abhorrent as to warrant regulation.

People fantasize about doing these things anyway. I'd rather have a people that are used to using their imaginations: it accelerates their creativity, and makes them more useful en masse. Generally, people are cowards, and fear the strong steel fist of authority. Shoot people for breaking a law, and you will find that usually people are too scared of you to retaliate. Depends on what the law is. People aren't going to form an armed rebellion because you are denying them (a type of) porn. They will, however, still access that porn, and cause more crime than you were preventing. Illegalize beer, and you don't have people up in arms shooting guns in the air: you have bootleggers. Porn? Same. You accomplish nothing by banning porn... you infact make things worse (either in enforcing your ban or in the additional 'crimes' it causes).

War movies don't try to wrench with your emotions? Why the hell would they show you things from people's perspectives then? That doesn't help us understand the strategy or facts one bit. It is entirely emotional. A strategy video doesn't integrate a person emotionally: it is a lesson. I find that there are video games in which I may vandalize without hurting others to the effect that I don't have to vandalize to get my destructive thrills.

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That's the exact same argument against videogames...

Then they will not censor or ban video games.

Because if 'they' do, we won't be able to shoot each other in the head without actually physically damaging each other. We have guns, and we will then use them