(April 4, 2011 at 7:06 pm)padraic Wrote: Please do not misunderstand. I did not mean to imply our system is flawless,only that it works.
That it is working is great. It works for us too, but only to an extent.
(April 4, 2011 at 7:06 pm)padraic Wrote: Perhaps you aren't making a broad generalisation.However,your comments seem typically judgmental and ignorant based on facile observation rather than evidence.
No, not typically judgmental. I am being judgmental with good reason. What about my comments gives you the idea that I am ignorant of how social security works good for some and not for others? Do I need to point out that I have paid thousands of dollars into social security and a severely mentally disabled family member has not seen a penny of it? Because of the hopeless flaws in the social security system of the U.S., I not only have paid all of that money, but I give all that I can to that family member, because he cannot work. If social security worked the way it is supposed to, he would be able to get by without my help and the help of others. (Don't bother saying it is a process, because we have been through the process exactly as the set it up and he meets ALL of the criteria.)
(April 4, 2011 at 7:06 pm)padraic Wrote: As for jumping through hoops. Here Welfare payments are made under the terms set by the Social Security Act (1947). The rationale is " welfare is for the needy,not the greedy"
Yes, well I don't live there. Welfare here is for whoever is willing to sacrifice their vagina to have enough kids to keep the checks coming.
(April 4, 2011 at 7:06 pm)padraic Wrote: The applicant must prove: citizenship and proof of age. Details about last job and reasons for leaving. (which had better be good) Full details of all assets and income from any source,including cash in hand.
The unemployed are given diaries,and are obliged to approach a set number of employers each week,who need to sign the diary. Failure to comply results in suspension of benefits . This is a small part of what is called "the works test". Penalties can be severe.
Single parents are paid a pension until the youngest child is 8. A that time the pension ceases. They must apply for unemployment and undertake training.
Oh, yes. We have a system much like that as well. It's easy to bullshit.
(April 4, 2011 at 7:06 pm)padraic Wrote: IF you are going to make claims about welfare recipients, I suggest you you make very sure of your facts.
I believe that you have made the mistake of thinking I was bullshitting about welfare recipients without making sure of my facts. I don't know if you are aware of the fact that social security and welfare are not the same in the United States. I was not making claims about welfare recipients. I was talking about social security recipients. Furthermore, I was not making claims about all of them. If you look at my post, you will see that I made mention of my experience. In my experience, it is an effort in futility. You can feed your money into a system that works in your country. I should be able to make the decision about whether I want to feed my money into a system that does not work, to the best of my knowledge, in my country.
