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[TheRocketSurgeon]

"Religions and gods are human creations they reflect the nature of their creators.", I do not think you are completely wrong in this, you actually have a point, in my opinion. All the religions in this world reflect the desires of the humans worshipping them, for example, the greeks and romans who were so avid in war created a God called Marte (or its counterpart) to favor their desire of war, they saw the greatest force they ever knew, the climate, and gave it a name, Zeus, and so on with other so called deities. But what do you do when you find a God that is against human nature? How is Jesus Christ the reflection of the human nature? Human nature has a "natural" appetite for sexual intercourse and a strong sexual desire, but our God told us clearly: "Sexuality must only be for marriage, so know that everytime you feel sexually attracted to someone, and you indulge in that feeling, you are sinning, masturbation is unnatural, homosexuality is unnatural, zoophilia is unnatural, fornication is unnatural, adultery is unnatural, murdering by your own is unnatural, stealing is unnatural and so on...", what do you do when you encounter a God like this one, that goes exactly against "human nature" as we know it? In fact, He goes exactly according to human nature as it was created, pure, the human nature we have now is damaged by the sin of Adam and Eve.

Also, you are wrong, my theology does not proceed from Niceea, but from the very early moments of christianity. That is why we have the theology of St. Clement the Roman, St. Ignatius of Antioch, St. Polycarp of Smyrna, Papias of Hierapolis, Quadratus... and other hundreds of Church Fathers that were born even centuries before Niceea.

So, essentially, you're claiming that all those other religions are made up by humans, but not yours. Got it.

Jesus Christ (though a reformer in his own right) was in every way a Hebrew of the First Century. The attributes assigned by the Bible to him and to God are those of the religion/culture of the time. There are many religions which try to control/regulate human sexuality into a form that is useful to the Powers That Be, in their time and place, and they tend to agree with your Christian ideas about the importance of (female, anyway) virginity and marriage-before-sex. Among them are Hinduism and Islam, for instance.

Your god of the OT is depicted as what exactly what we'd expect from a Patriarchal, genocidal war band's priests. Jesus the Reformer (what we can glean of the historical version of him, that is, not the version "increasingly shown as a magic man" and finally as "the son of God" in the NT, as the various versions about him were written down) still remains a product of his time and place. What we mean by Nicea is that there were several early, competing versions of Christianity, which the Orthodox church eventually dominated and set their particular version down in that Council as "The Nicene Creed", as well as dictating which Gospels would "count", which early "church father" writers would be preserved, etc. Anyone who has spent any time in actual scholarship on that subject is aware that the version handed down to us today is only one of the versions that originally existed, and we have no way of knowing what else was lost.

Oh, and by the way, homosexuality and masturbation are perfectly natural. They're seen throughout the animal kingdom. The only part humans seem to invented is the concept of marriage. That you link those actions, by listing them in the same string, to things that are universally decried because of their harm factor (such as murder, stealing, etc.) shows us how warped your view of reality is.