(May 1, 2016 at 5:12 pm)Wryetui Wrote: I did not change anything of what you said, you are incorrect, you implied that my theology is an invention of Niceea and I pointed out that that is not possible, since we have hundreds of Church Fathers that are very prior to Niceea.
This kind of aggressivity can only be the product of a deep hate that exists towards God. It is very clear to me that you do believe in God, but hate Him so much that you want to deny it. Do you think I am misrepresenting your beliefs? I know what you will answer to me: "You are wrong! How can I hate something in which I do not believe that exists? I believe in science and I believe your God is an invention, and so on...", but I will tell you the truth I knew without even knowing you, you do hate God and you do not want Him to exist, and you have accepted every belief that disproves God. It is obvious that you are not interested in a sincere discussion, you only want to "destroy" my beliefs, which are completely unknown to you even though you claim you know them, in order for them not to dismantle your shield against God. I do not think we could actually have a debate since it will not be a debate, just you aggresively and compulsively trying to convince me of your ideas, and since I am not a fan of proselytism, I am not interested in careless slurs. You are free to talk to me anytime you consider you are open to debate and to listen what other people have to say to you.
I'm going to offer you a little advice for life: Don't be an asshole.
As a sub-clause to "Don't be an asshole", I'd include, "When people tell you what they are or what they think, it's an asshole move to tell them what they really think."
When we tell you that most of us are former Believers, raised in the church family (usually because of our own families, of course), and that we understand your claims about the Bible and the religion that springs from it, we mean it. We have chosen to reject the claims as invalid. It's really that simple.
I'll also note that you're playing a very dishonest game, here, by focusing only on the people who swear at you and show no interest in debating or discussing with you, while ignoring those who attempt to engage you on a more human level. You sling labels our way, en masse, like "angry" and "aggressive" and "compulsive", as if they apply to the group.
I have been nothing but polite, until calling you an asshole (technically, I said what you did was the action of an asshole, and that you shouldn't do that), and yet I think the same things they do.
You and I disbelieve in every god that was ever invented by humans... except you've held on to one. How you feel about the Greeks inventing Zeus, and then the Romans borrowing it and "inventing" Jupiter, we feel about what Christians did to the beliefs of the Iron-Age Hebrews. We think exactly what you think about Hinduism. But your pet religion is so precious to you that you have to pretend to yourself that others reject it for unsound reasons, since it just can't possibly occur to you that we know about your religion and simply choose to treat it the way you treat Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Zoroastrians, Sikhs, Shintoists, Baha'i, etc.
You are so arrogant and self-absorbed in your belief set that you can't even fathom how insulting and enraging it is to come talk to us the way you have. But I assure you, if a Muslim came to a Christian forum and said that you "really" worshiped Allah and "really knew in your heart" that Muhammad was his final Prophet, you'd be furious. And rightfully so.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
