(May 3, 2016 at 6:33 am)robvalue Wrote: It sounds to me like you could do with getting yourself a good science textbook. It's good that you're showing an interest in learning. If you're serious, you really need to drop the preconceptions and start from the ground up. As long as you hang on to pre-drawn magical conclusions, you will find it hard to learn about actual science.Alright, you did not offer me any answer. Would you be satisfied if I told you exactly the same? "It sounds to me like you could do with getting yourself a good theology textbook. It's good that you're showing an interest in learning. If you're serious, you really need to drop the preconceptions and start from the ground up. As long as you hang on to pre-drawn magical conclusions, you will find it hard to learn about actual theology."
I can't say I know offhand how to find the evidence supporting the current model. It's probably online somewhere, but I can't find it at the moment. Maybe someone will help me out with that.
But these are the findings as per the scientific method, which is the one and only reliable way to learn about reality. Theology is just making up explanations. If you show you're serious about all this, more people here will be likely to take you seriously. We get hundreds of theists coming through here, all just telling us how we're wrong, and it gets tiresome.
"I can't say I know offhand how to find the evidence supporting the current model. It's probably online somewhere, but I can't find it at the moment. Maybe someone will help me out with that.", well I need to know it. I am not interested about the age of the earth because it is not something that goes against christianity anyhow. I am interested in the things that supposedly go against the christian doctrine. What is the evidence that says that the earth was not formed by God? Yes, you can back this question to me: "What is the evidence that shows that God created the earth?" but I am a "uncultured redneck" (no offense to any rednecks reading this), right? So, how was the earth formed if not by the act of God and on what do you rely to believe so?
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