(May 3, 2016 at 4:10 am)Wryetui Wrote: I have seen that the main atheist method is to mock religion and to insult it, without providing any coherent argument against it so I am not surprised, but I will answer anyway because you are wrong.
Jesus did not have intercourse with His mother, besides the blasphemy in this idea it hides a deep ignorance. Jesus is the second person of the Trinity. The Trinity has one ousia that is shared by three hypostases. It was the third person of the Trinity, the Holy Spirit, that carried Christ into Mary's womb, but if you read the Gospel of Luke you will see that there is no kind of sexual intercourse.
At this point I believe without a doubt that the main reason of your atheism and of many others is ignorance and a poor culture.
You can't be this dense. They're making fun of the concept of the Trinity. If Jesus = God = Holy Spirit, then the HS coming to Mary the Virgin in order to make a baby means Jesus (as the HS and as God) "had sex" with his mom to make himself. Whether or not actual intercourse occurred is not relevant. We know what the claim is; some of us just like to mock for shock value. It's mockery, yes, and blasphemous, but it's meant to highlight the problems with the trinity claim.
You believed without a doubt that the main reason of our atheism was ignorance and a poor culture long, long before you came here. You have chosen to ignore those of us who elected to take you seriously and to try to engage you on a serious level, in favor of paying attention only to those who display traits that confirm your prejudices. It's called confirmation bias. ("Counting the hits and ignoring the misses" is another way to say it.)
Even I, who (as anyone here can tell you) go to great pains to remain civil and respectful with theists because I used to be as fervent an "on fire for Jesus" believer as anyone you'll meet, I want to help educate you away from some of the lies your chosen dogma has implanted in your brain, and I believe in treating people as they'd wish to be treated whenever possible. But despite that, I am strongly resisting an urge to make fun of your prejudice and your martyr complex.
I told you to ignore the people who provoke you (someone else told you to do that, in the Gospels, if you'll recall) and to focus on real discussion, but you chose not to do that. You chose to confirm your own prejudice by leaping on those who spoke harshly to you. I cannot respect that. Yet again, as we observe over and over, 99% of Christians who come here are simply here to preach The Ultimate Truth to us, and make highly-prejudiced statements about us and our beliefs that don't conform to reality... then turn sullen and take umbrage when we don't fawn over their deep insight into God/nature/etc, but return their contempt for us with derision, or mockery and insults.
You can either take a good listen to what I'm trying to tell you about how to interact here, or you can continue to play the martyr and blame us for the attacks you're receiving, without taking an honest look at your tone of approach. If you're true to the form of other Christians who typically come here, your arrogance is too high for you to really look at the plank in your own eye.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.