@Ash- There is no necessary correlation between morality (societal or personal) and law, however they are very congruent. Morality can, and has, influenced law. It is not in the scope of law to punish intent. Law is reactive and compells out of fear and punishment. It is a public guide to the basic principles of conduct a society accepts.
"For society is not something that is kept together physically; it is held by the invisible bonds of common thought. If the bonds were too far relaxed. the members would drift apart.A common morality is part of the bondage. The bondage is part of the price of society; and mankind, which needs society, must pay its price "—The Philosophy of a Law, ed. R.M. Dworkin, Oxford Press, (1977).
The laws here do not protect victims, they prevent future victims by reactively punishing victimization. The law removes people harmful to the society reflected in their laws.
This isn't the first, nor is it the last time you'll throw religion in the mix. I bet you would have all Christian morality removed from the law if you had a chance wouldn't you? That's just enforcing your morality on the laws. The fact is that laws are based on whatever the moral concensus is in that society. People can claim their morality comes from God, or natural selection, or wherever it doesn't matter. They're morales held by individuals, individuals that form a society, and the majority concensus of morality is then applied to law to establish a system of enforcement of those values.
Slavery was legal till someone said "I don't condone that behavior". If you think laws are not about upholding societal values you've being naive. If you are of the thought that viewing child pornography is acceptable, luckily you're in the minority. But people found a way around the law to get just that legal child pornography. That's where we stand now, we have legal and illegal child pornography. I'm just saying child pornography should be either entirely legal or entirely illegal (my moral stand), faking it does nothing but manipulate the law to serve a few individuals within a society
@RevJ- Yes. Which are you more inclined towards?
A)Child pornography is illegal because it victimises children. Legally faked child pornography produces no victims therefore should be victims.
B)Child pornography is illegal society doesn't feel it morally acceptable. Legally faked child pornography is intended to mimic child pornograpy, therefore should be illegal, because it's socially unacceptable.
For instance.. here in VA it's illegal to smoke marijuanna (I know my personal ethics and choices of topic are attracting me a lot of friends here
). Spice has the same effect as marijuanna, so it was banned. There for the intent of the marijuanna ban wasn't to ban marijuanna , but to prevent the effects of marijuanna use as reflected by a society standard.Marijuanna and spice have the same effect, therefore the same societal standard applies.
"For society is not something that is kept together physically; it is held by the invisible bonds of common thought. If the bonds were too far relaxed. the members would drift apart.A common morality is part of the bondage. The bondage is part of the price of society; and mankind, which needs society, must pay its price "—The Philosophy of a Law, ed. R.M. Dworkin, Oxford Press, (1977).
The laws here do not protect victims, they prevent future victims by reactively punishing victimization. The law removes people harmful to the society reflected in their laws.
This isn't the first, nor is it the last time you'll throw religion in the mix. I bet you would have all Christian morality removed from the law if you had a chance wouldn't you? That's just enforcing your morality on the laws. The fact is that laws are based on whatever the moral concensus is in that society. People can claim their morality comes from God, or natural selection, or wherever it doesn't matter. They're morales held by individuals, individuals that form a society, and the majority concensus of morality is then applied to law to establish a system of enforcement of those values.
Slavery was legal till someone said "I don't condone that behavior". If you think laws are not about upholding societal values you've being naive. If you are of the thought that viewing child pornography is acceptable, luckily you're in the minority. But people found a way around the law to get just that legal child pornography. That's where we stand now, we have legal and illegal child pornography. I'm just saying child pornography should be either entirely legal or entirely illegal (my moral stand), faking it does nothing but manipulate the law to serve a few individuals within a society
@RevJ- Yes. Which are you more inclined towards?
A)Child pornography is illegal because it victimises children. Legally faked child pornography produces no victims therefore should be victims.
B)Child pornography is illegal society doesn't feel it morally acceptable. Legally faked child pornography is intended to mimic child pornograpy, therefore should be illegal, because it's socially unacceptable.
For instance.. here in VA it's illegal to smoke marijuanna (I know my personal ethics and choices of topic are attracting me a lot of friends here
). Spice has the same effect as marijuanna, so it was banned. There for the intent of the marijuanna ban wasn't to ban marijuanna , but to prevent the effects of marijuanna use as reflected by a society standard.Marijuanna and spice have the same effect, therefore the same societal standard applies.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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