Not A Poll: Does Motivation Affect Morality?

[Excited Penguin]

There is objective morality out there. The word objective means not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts[...]

I'm in full agreement with you again. Although I wouldn't describe it as 'out there'. Not really incorrect but it's not how I would describe episemic  objectivity. I wouldn't say the objectivity in science was 'out there' so much as 'in there', in the brains of the scientists who are being objective/unbiased.

[...]which is what laws are, morally speaking, in a democratic society.

Not so sure here. I'd be interesting to hear more on this part.

Sure, the word objective can also mean not dependent on the mind for existence; actual, but the case can be made that nothing is objective in that sense, at least not demonstrably so.

Absolutely right, full agreement here too. Ontological and epistemic objectivity are separate and we mustn't equivocate, the former does not exist -- when it comes to ethics -- but the latter does. If 'exist' is even the right word for the latter.

-Hammy

Laws are objective in that way, is what I meant.

I said 'out there' because I was thinking of it being in action, such as controlling and influencing outward behaviour, and that's because I was mainly speaking about laws. I didn't mean anything else by it.