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Free Will - Yes/No?

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RE: Free Will - Yes/No?
May 8, 2016 at 11:26 am
(May 8, 2016 at 10:57 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote:
(May 8, 2016 at 1:47 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: Do we have free will, or do we live in a deterministic universe?

I take it you asked that for simplicity.

I believe we live in a deterministic universe, and I don't believe in free will either... but even if we did live in an indeterministic universe the concept of contra-causal free will would still be incoherent, I'm sure you agree.

-Hammy


There's no way I can justify that phrasing of mine without also defending the concept of free will, so I can't. But I will say this, I specifically put it like that because I don't believe in free will, and I also believe it's one or the other, and since it can't be the one, it's necessarily the other.

In my mind indeterminism is just as incoherent of an idea as free will is, but feel free to try and disabuse me of that notion.
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Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 1:47 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Losty - May 8, 2016 at 3:23 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 11:00 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by robvalue - May 8, 2016 at 3:32 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 7:11 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Fake Messiah - May 8, 2016 at 5:15 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Alex K - May 8, 2016 at 5:21 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 7:13 am
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Grandizer - May 8, 2016 at 7:50 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by robvalue - May 8, 2016 at 5:47 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by robvalue - May 8, 2016 at 6:06 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 11:06 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by robvalue - May 8, 2016 at 7:14 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 7:20 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by IATIA - May 8, 2016 at 10:42 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 11:20 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by IATIA - May 8, 2016 at 12:20 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by ErGingerbreadMandude - May 8, 2016 at 12:27 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 12:37 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by IATIA - May 8, 2016 at 4:26 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 4:45 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by paulpablo - May 8, 2016 at 7:20 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Grandizer - May 8, 2016 at 7:52 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by deleteduser12345 - May 8, 2016 at 4:26 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 4:44 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by paulpablo - May 8, 2016 at 4:54 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by emjay - May 8, 2016 at 5:16 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 5:59 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by robvalue - May 8, 2016 at 7:24 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 7:35 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by robvalue - May 8, 2016 at 7:37 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 7:46 am
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 9:12 am
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 9:37 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Losty - May 8, 2016 at 1:10 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 1:13 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Losty - May 8, 2016 at 1:21 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by robvalue - May 8, 2016 at 8:57 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by pocaracas - May 8, 2016 at 9:27 am
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 9:47 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by IATIA - May 8, 2016 at 10:49 am
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 10:57 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 11:26 am
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Edwardo Piet - May 8, 2016 at 11:31 am
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 11:34 am
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by ErGingerbreadMandude - May 8, 2016 at 12:15 pm
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 1:05 pm
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by IATIA - May 8, 2016 at 3:55 pm
RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Excited Penguin - May 8, 2016 at 3:57 pm
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by emjay - May 8, 2016 at 7:53 pm
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Losty - May 8, 2016 at 7:34 pm
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RE: Free Will - Yes/No? - by Losty - May 8, 2016 at 9:51 pm
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