Free Will Debate

[Alan V]

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

@Alan V

Are you the original author of that essay?

Boru

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

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Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

I couldn’t help but stop reading when the author dropped the dumb bomb of “no free will, then science isn’t valid”.

On account of how it one, wasn’t true, and two, would only be an argument from poor consequences if it were.

It seems to me that the entire bit can be boiled down to, “ we have free will, because we’re deciders”. A less than impressive non seq. Ofc we’re deciders…..and so is the thermostat on your ac.

Similarly, the second is another no shit statement. If we reduce free will to mean “whatever we do have” then we have it by default regardless of whether whatever we have is in any meaningful sense free.

[Alan V]

@Alan V

Are you the original author of that essay?

Boru

Yes, although I obviously quoted heavily from the three original books.

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I couldn’t help but stop reading when the author dropped the dumb bomb of “no free will, then science isn’t valid”.

On account of how it one, wasn’t true, and two, would only be an argument from poor consequences if it were.

It seems to me that the entire bit can be boiled down to, “ we have free will, because we’re deciders”.  A less than impressive non seq.  Ofc we’re deciders…..and so is the thermostat on your ac.

Similarly, the second is another no shit statement.  If we reduce free will to mean “whatever we do have” then we have it by default regardless of whether whatever we have is in any meaningful sense free.

I don't necessarily agree with all I quote when I'm summarizing.  I just thought the author had a few interesting perspectives nevertheless, especially insofar as he represented a different vantage.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

@Alan V

Are you the original author of that essay?

Boru

Yes, although I obviously quoted heavily from the three original books.

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Boru

[Jehanne]

Free will cannot exist absolutely unless one is willing to say that all epileptics are choosing to have their seizures or that Alzheimer's patients are choosing to forget the names of their grandchildren.

[The Grand Nudger]

@ Alan V

I get that…but the different vantage point the author provided was terminally silly. An example of how a person might be brilliant at one thing, and a drooling loon at another.

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Boru

You should delete my inappropriate post. Though I am conflicted, I would prefer it if you did.