Pornography - are you for or against it and why?

[reverendjeremiah]

You're confusing my points so I'll try and be concise.

All right Tack. I'm going to do this one more time, and I am going to try to be as sensitive to your wording as possible.

1)There are laws against pedophilia

Yes, generally speaking in modern society, yes.

2)There are laws against filming pedophilia (or there are laws against filming minors having sex... whichever wording you prefer, they're the same).

Yes

3)there are no laws against consenting adults pretending to have sex with a minor..

Look, I will give you the benefit of the doubt in this question. Yes. An adult can "pretend" or "act" like they are younger and have sex with other consenting adults.

Point A)
You're confusing 2 and 3 above.
I said
Quote: Why is it illegal to both actually commit pedophilia and watch or film the act of someone else's pedophilia act?
I was talking about 1 and 2.. there are laws for both.
What is the purpose of child pornography laws?
So far the only answer the other side has given is to protect the victim.

If the victim has already been victimized... what protection is there? I then proposed several alternative reasons why there are child pornography laws. The key of which is that society doesn't want these images publicly available. There are several reasons for that which I clearly stated. .

Okay. The laws DO protect minors from being victimized as far as laws are concerned these days. They give HARSH penalties for people who do such things, regardless of pornography (filming or pictures) or just the sex act in general. They protect the victim as much as any other law can. There are laws that say murder is illegal, and that HARSH consequences will follow those who are proven to do such a thing. Does the law protect everyone? No. Its going to happen, but some people get caught and their punishment is given. Thus our current system of law.

Why is it illegal to both actually commit pedophilia and watch or film the act of someone else's pedophilia act?

That is a good question. These laws are drawn from many people over several years. I cannot know why, nor you, except for their wording of the law. Perhaps it would help if you actually posted a law, instead of a generalized question. But, in spirit of the discussion, I will try to answer your question - It is illegal to commit pedophilia in this American society for many reasons IN MY OPINION: Society considers an older person who is emotionally secure taking advantage of a younger person who is emotionally immature to be wrong. A grown woman of 30 years becoming pregnant with a 13 year old boys baby is stressful to society and the "vicitm" (who knows..maybe he likes having a son..I dont know) in our current technological level. In earlier societies, a female reaching the age of puberty was married off as soon as possible because of the level of that societies advancement and life expectancy of the time. Now our society is much more advanced to where, even though they are capable of physically reproducing, it would cause an undue strain on society for them personally, and socially as a whole. Also, the reasons why we cannot WATCH the act (the REAL act, not AN "act") is to protect the victim. Can you imagine if you were molested as a young boy by a gay man (and please, I do not think all gays are this way..it is merely an example for discussion, and I support gay rights) and it was completely legal to see it? You would NEVER be able to go anywhere, or work anywhere without someone finding that video and using it against you. You were victimized at a young age, and wether you liked it or not being a young boy at the time, or wether you even wanted it or not (which is a WHOLE other can of worms that, as I said before, I DONT want to get into and why I made this poll generalized instead of specific) because your "victimization" (as I said, ether you liked it or wanted it or not at the time) is based on a media trail that can follow you into your adult life and very likely adversely effect your social and private life later in life. Our society, currently, tries to protect the youth and their decisions (wether they liked doing them or not) from adversely effecting their ADULT life. Therefore we "seal" a minors criminal records. This is MY OPINION of the laws. I may be dead wrong, but it is my opinion.

Point B)
If there is no victim for child pornography laws, other than society (as shown in A). Then society deems these images AND the acts of these images wrong. Faking those images with the intent to make them seem real would then defeat the purpose of child pornography laws. It would however alleviate any culpability in the victim area, but not the image area.

Okay. Look, I am going to try to go indepth with you as I possibly can. Besides, you cram so many questions into one question it is difficult to understand what you are asking. As far as your first two sentences of point b, I feel that I answered them already. In my own opinion, I broke down WHAT I THINK, basically, what laws such as this mean. I cannot go any further on those.

Now we are on "faking" images with "intent" to seem real would then defeat the purpose of child pornography laws.

I am going to flat out say NO. All parties are legal adults who consent to such acting, and therefore (as long as those conditions are met) is LEGAL and NOTHING to do with the pedophilia laws. In fact they are MILLIONS OF MILES away from pedophilia laws. If your wife says "I've been a bad girl daddy, and I need to be spanked" do you consider that breaking the pedo laws, as well as incest laws intent? Honestly man. There is no "alleviate any culpability in the victim area" because there is no underaged people to be vicitimized in adult play acting. Its not even a factor. Just ZERO!

No..just..ZERO...man..ZERO!

"but not the image area".- Look man. I cant help but think you are trying to convince me to throw grown, consenting adults in jail for play acting and ban any play acting in consenting adults sex lives. If this is NOT what you are trying to ask me, then I honestly cannot understand what you want me to answer.

If this is NOT what you are trying to say. Then I suggest you sit down, and REALLY try hard to get your wording correct. Write down WHAT YOU THINK. Please do not put it in the form of a question. Just flat out say what you are thinking and expect to be judged afterwards. I refuse to throw consenting adults into jail for play acting...wether on or off the camera.