Pornography - are you for or against it and why?

[tackattack]

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@ Sarcasm- I see your point sarcasm and it's a good one. I completely agree with "the person who buys this video treats this the same as if he had bought a video of pedophilia. Because of that i think it shouldn't be filmed, not that the actual filming or acting is wrong."

Surely it's better though that if they are buying it because it resembles child porn that they are using the legal alternative where no child is actually hurt and they are just watching consenting adults. Take away the legal option of paedophiles who are at least making the conscious decision to watch the legal, faked version then all they have is the real thing, which as it's already banned yet still available you could do nothing about.

A) Legal version = nobody gets hurt. No child is abused. It's already regulated so fairly safe.
B) Illegal version = Abuse and exploitation of children. Impossible to regulate.

Take away option A and the demand will still be there yet the only alternative they would have is option B, thus possibly increasing demand and production of option B. It certainly won't stop ANYONE getting hurt and abused who already is.

If I made a cocaine substitute that was legal, but was pretty much exactly the same,only pink in color. Then I went and sold it to my friends as a legal cocaine substitute. I should hold some accountability (at the very least I would have severe guilt) for someone dying from an OD or going on a murdering rampage because of the stuff.

That would create SOOOOOOO many grey areas in the law. If doing anything that resembled a crime or resembled the outcome the law was trying to stop without actually commiting a crime became illegal it would be such a ridiculous place to live.

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I think legal porn actually increases the demand by reaching in and hooking more viewers to the genre. It increases the fantasies about such things because people feel it's legal, feeding the id. Yes, there will probably be an increase in actual child pornography use, which might actually cause more victims temporarily. That will make the criminals, easier to target and victims easier to help. Maybe it won't decrease demand at all, but it will decrease the amount of people desiring such images. It certainly would stop increasing the demand. It certainly won't stop ANYONE getting hurt and abused who already is, but it would is more likely to shrink the overall numbers of abused victims, IMO.

I don't see it as creating gray areas, I see legally faked child porn as gray. It's either legal or illegal. Most people I'm guessing by the vote consider it legal. I consider it illegal, by the law and it's intent. I don't put my personal freedom to watch what I want over the effect it has on society. I don't want anyone else's personal freedom to be more important than the betterment of society, either. Sometimes that means personal freedoms take precedence over unimportant details to the overall scheme of things. The important things though, that cause real damage to people and society, should be confronted. At least from just this kind of discussion it has cause me and probably some others to draw a line in the sand with what they thought is right and wrong. That is less gray area not more. If the vote is to say it's legal for a majority then I'd back the consensus of society. I think faked victimization of children on video would be first seat to someone's personal freedoms to watch it in a truly public political forum, though.

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I appreciate your patience in this discussion. I did post laws, but I'll post them again

Please dont...have mercy on me...you win man! You are right with everything you said and everything I said was wrong. You win.

I'll answer my own question if that will help you. I think the main and glaring reason we have child pornography image laws to protect society from seeing these images, not to protect the child victim in them, although that could be a lesser reason/byproduct. If that is the main reason then faking the images defeats the purpose of the laws, could we agree on that statement?
I am not "trying to convince me to throw grown, consenting adults in jail for play acting and ban any play acting in consenting adults sex lives" I am trying to convince you that people use faked child porn like real child porn, it increases demand for child porn (both the legal and illegal) and that it isn't necessarily illegal to film it, it should regulated/tracked at the very least.

You win man. I can no longer argue the subject. You win. All legal porn is regulated. As far as "tracking" it, I stand in AWE over the size that government will become once Tack is done with it

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If I made a cocaine substitute that was legal, but was pretty much exactly the same,only pink in color. Then I went and sold it to my friends as a legal cocaine substitute. I should hold some accountability (at the very least I would have severe guilt) for someone dying from an OD or going on a murdering rampage because of the stuff.

The DEA already does this. They will even go over the citizens vote, and eve the Representative and Senates head and arbitrarily make a law on the spot delcaring something a "controlled substance", and can apply a felony punishment to it. So the DEA can arbitrarily declare what you are selling is illegal and take your citizen rights and even your freedom away..arbitrarily, regardless of what society thinks of the substance.

Apparently the moderate and Conservative Americans love a government entity making arbitrary laws on the spot, seeing as they never stopped them from doing so, and even put them into that power.

If my voice mattered I would toss the entire DEA out of the door as a tax payer leech and genuine threat to American freedom. Let States set their own drug enforcement and laws.

Personally I think drugs should be a health issue, not a legal issue.

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Your glaring sarcasm is really irrelevant. It's a discussion, your discussion. I'm trying to clearly state why I am against porn (as asked). It's not about who's right or wrong or who talks the longest or most. You raised some good points and objections and I think you took the time to see my point of view, which I appreciate and have reflected on. It's about sharing ideas, and the above post does little other than change the subject. Class act dodge, btw.