Can you persuade me from Agnostic to Atheist?

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There's a similar bind for what we might call an ignostic atheist.  "I don't know what we're talking about, but I don't believe in it"

This is another general problem, yes. I don't know what we're talking about. I may believe in it, if it turns out to be an apple that someone is calling God. This is why it's debatable whether I'm an atheist. But then, atheism is a pre-emptive stance to what any particular theist may pull out their arse.

I don't believe in whatever it is you're saying, as far as I know, but I may do if it turns out you're just labelling something existent as "God". However, chances are, if you can't explain what it is you're talking about, it's just your imagination. So it's probabilistic in that regard.

I'd be comfortable just saying I'm ignostic, but since very few people even understand what "atheist" means, it's not likely to be productive.