RE: Can you persuade me from Agnostic to Atheist?
May 26, 2016 at 6:34 am
(This post was last modified: May 26, 2016 at 6:36 am by Ben Davis.)
(May 25, 2016 at 11:55 am)Whateverist the White Wrote: For me to adopt the antitheist stance that there are no gods I would first need to know what is meant by the word "god".Indeed. The ignostic position is crucial, its importance can't be overstated.
Quote:If that is something out there and eternal with total causal control over everything and the decider supreme over moral matters .. then that is just ridiculous.Once again, agreed. I find myself antitheistic (under the primary definition) for specific gods (eg. abrahamic, hindi, gaian) as there are often reasonably well-formed definitions. They may differ slightly from believer to believer but there are aspects (e.g. omni-traits, half-elephant, the world is a single organism) that are clearly fallacious and can be used as a concrete basis for opposing statements to the theistic claims of existence.
Quote:But some theists hold more nuanced notions and I'm not ready to say they are wrong.Yep. But once again, the ignostic position applies: these gods are often so vaguely defined, in an attempt to make them ineffable/transcendent or whatever current woo-phrase is applicable, that the attempt at definition fails to provide qualifiable attributes for the theistic claims. At that stage I just have to hold up my hands and let them know that I have no idea what they're talking about. For some reason this often surprises or offends people.
Quote:So I'm just a garden variety atheist holding no belief in any god I've heard described, but not ready to render a categorical pronouncement based on so little.As am I, in principle but come at me with talking snakes, supernatural good-luck, super-consciousnesses and the like and there'll be active opposition on my part.
Sum ergo sum