(June 3, 2016 at 3:49 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Now you're just playing with words. Fine. I'll play that game. Since the evidence shows that actual things can cause change, where is the evidence that nonexistent things can cause change? Since there is no such evidence then a rational person operates on the most reasonable premise and the conclusions that follow from it. Apparently you are not interested in following the evidence after all.
I'll give you a hint: "actual things," are not the only thing within your argument that can be argued against. There is also the notion of change, of cause and effect as you understand it, and whether or not that applies universally. It doesn't: prior to the big bang, all ideas of how change works go out the window, and this is something supported by all of the physics we currently understand.
Moreover, your argument loses all force if you present it properly, which is "the evidence we observe suggests that, in our current expansionist universe, actual things can cause change, but they might not be the only thing." That barely says anything at all.
Oh, and by the way? Still haven't bothered to connect your spurious argument to the god conclusion you're attempting to make. I know you're searching for distractions to mask that, but that's kinda the big failure here for you. How is your conclusion relevant to the argument at all?
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