(June 3, 2016 at 4:12 pm)Esquilax Wrote: There is also the notion of change, of cause and effect as you understand it, and whether or not that applies universally.So now you’re going to argue against causal order? Give me a break. You objected to the 5th Way by saying that regular causality was a brute fact Typical Ex-Lax...always reaching for the argument of convenience. But that’s okay. I don’t object to people taking the absurdist/nihilist stance if that’s their existential choice.
(June 3, 2016 at 4:12 pm)Esquilax Wrote: ...prior to the big bang, all ideas of how change works go out the window, and this is something supported by all of the physics we currently understand.You point is mute because it is based on a flawed understanding of physics.
There is no time prior to the big bang. The temporal order was part of what got actualized along with everything else.
(June 3, 2016 at 4:12 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Moreover, your argument loses all force if you present it properly, which is "the evidence we observe suggests that, in our current expansionist universe, actual things can cause change, but they might not be the only thing."
You seem not to realize that the opposite is absurd. Or maybe you do, having taken the absurdist stance.
(June 3, 2016 at 4:12 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Oh, and by the way? Still haven't bothered to connect your spurious argument to the god conclusion you're attempting to make. I know you're searching for distractions to mask that, but that's kinda the big failure here for you. How is your conclusion relevant to the argument at all?There is very little point in presenting a rational argument to a nihilistic absurdist that questions causality and the thinks things that don’t exist can do things.