Hell and God cant Co-exist.

[Catholic_Lady]

MY POINT EXACTLY! Maybe if you were less biased against the theistic AF members you would direct your snipes toward Equilax and Jor. They, not me, are suggesting that non-existent things can cause change. Nevertheless, should I take your comment as tacit agreement that common everyday observations can serve as evidence, observations such as "only actual things cause change."

I dunno there was always a bias against theists for as long as their religion existed. It's like so 
back then you couldn't say i don't believe in your god(s) you would get killed for that. Now in this era
you could get killed but for the most part you would get shunned. To put it like so why do you need god for anything
the universe came about in naturalistic means heck we found the building blocks for life already. You can get life from 
non life given the right circumstances. 
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29368984

Life - it's just interstellar chemistry at it's finest.

Yes, but something was still needed to make that first life happen. 

Life didn't just spontaneously start to exist. It evolved from something else that was already there. And that thing came from another thing. And so on and so forth. In nature, as we know it, everything comes from something. As far as we know, things don't begin to exist out of nowhere and from nothing at all. So if you believe there wasn't any sort of supernatural element to the beginning of the first particle of the first natural thing to ever have existed, that is totally fine, but you are still putting your faith on something we have no understanding of and no explanation for.