Hell and God cant Co-exist.

[madog]

1) Why do people keep saying I'm afraid of "I don't know?" Once again, that is not at all what I'm saying.

2) Also, from what I understand, the "I don't know" is more of an agnostic view.  

3) And yes, if you say "maybe nature was somehow different back then", you're still putting your faith on that. We have no proof that nature was ever different enough to have made itself from nothing. Just as we have no proof of anything supernatural.

1) Afraid may be a bad word, uncomfortable or unsatisfied may be better. But the universe doesn't care whether we like the way it is as it just is.

2) Agnostics and all other terms are often just atheists trying to fit in with society ... the term atheist is understood and reviled by a lot of the religious ... agnostic, secularist, humanist, freethinker is not generally understood by the general population so allows some atheists to fly under the radar  (another thread maybe).

3) not many if any of the science community state they know how everything came into existence, but they keep looking with an open mind. maybe they will never know? note supernatural is not ruled out, just considered as an unlikely theory.

So lets put supernatural on the table. Why would the supernatural have to be a "God"?, why not hundreds of "Gods"? ... why not a computer program?, why not the wicked witch of the west? why not father Christmas? this can go on infinitum.

So just conceding that the universe/multiverse/etc came into existence by supernatural means still doesn't result in a "God" or even less in your particular "God", there needs to be empirical evidence and a 6000 year old fiction book revised 2000 years ago isn't empirical evidence.

Remember there are other claims for different Gods that have as much if not more hearsay evidence than the religions based on the Bible.

What happens is people are indoctrinated with a "God" and when they grow up they defend the "God" they were indoctrinated with ... They start from the premise there is a "God" and then try to validate that "God" when questioned, through a closed mind.

Science starts with the assumption the questions haven't yet been answered, religions start with the assumption that the questions have been answered then try to find arguments to support that premise .....