Hell and God cant Co-exist.

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Why do people keep saying I'm afraid of "I don't know?" Once again, that is not at all what I'm saying.

Also, from what I understand, the "I don't know" is more of an agnostic view. Agnostics say they don't know whether there is or there isn't a supernatural being/force of any kind. The atheist holds that there isn't. Sure, you don't know how things happened, but you do hold the view that it had nothing to do with anything beyond nature. So if there isn't a supernatural, you're saying this all came from nature, as apposed to super nature (supernatural). We also don't have proof that this all came from nature, neither can we understand how it could, because from what we do know, everything in nature comes from something.

And yes, if you say "maybe nature was somehow different back then", you're still putting your faith on that. We have no proof that nature was ever different enough to have made itself from nothing. Just as we have no proof of anything supernatural.

No. The gnostic atheist says there isn't. But the majority of atheists (at least the ones I've met) say they simply lack a belief in a god (including me) because god is the claim and there is no evidence for that claim. I don't care if we can know if there is a god or if no one can know, I do not believe in a god because god is the claim and there is no evidence for that claim. But yes, I agree with what you say, we don't know everything, but still, god is the claim therefore you need to give me the evidence for this god, if that's not the case, please enlighten me. But, no I don't put my faith in anything, faith is blind, and I say I don't know, that is not faith. Faith is when one comes with a claim and blindy believes in it without any evidence for that claim.

And no, I didn't say all this came from nature, I said I do not know and that nature is just a concept, not a divine thing acting, and I do not believe in the supernatural because it hasn't been proven. I said that it's very likely that everything just is, because life has no objective meaning or purpose, and it will stay that way until a higher being is proven. I didn't say it all came from nature, I said everything just is, maybe the big bang was the beginning of the universe, maybe matter existed before and we're just one of many big bangs, maybe our universe is actually infinite and has existed forever maybe it's nonsensical to ask "why does something exist", why can't it be the default state? Just because the glass I'm holding was created does it mean the beginning of the universe also had to be created? Or is our universe in a bowl of other universes (multiverses). I don't know, and neither do you, your god isn't the answer because it hasn't been proven. But all of it probably just is until you prove a higher being that has given it purpose and meaning. 

After all what do you mean when you say everything in nature comes from something? You know all the things that are manmade, when they were created, they weren't popped into existence, all the matter, atoms and such that was needed for it already existed, when it was created what simply happened was that man "manipulated" the matter so it represents e.g a glass, and a human can use it in different ways etc. In a sense it was always there. It wasn't created in the way you think it was created, a glass is just matter manipulated so it represents a glass for a human. Nature doesn't create anything, every different thing is all made of the same stuff just organized in different ways. So when something in nature is created, it's just matter organized in another way, not created in the way you think it is. It was difficult to explain this, but you'll get it.

Also when you present the option that everything came from nature, you're implying that nature existed before the universe. Nature didn't exist before the universe, nature is just a manmade concept to describe something. The word nature has no objective meaning, nature didn't create anything, nature is that something, yet again nature didn't exist before our universe. So, just strike nature off the list because it's irrelevant and strike god off too for the matter, he hasn't been proven. If nature didn't exist beforehand you can't use the rules and laws of our nature to explain something that happened before the existence of nature itself.

And I apolgise if I have typos and such or if my writing is wacky, I wrote this late at night.