ChadWooters Wrote:I never said anything about the creation of the universe. You and Esquilax seem hell bent on putting words in my mouth. My own experience, in this universe, within the here and now, confirms what lots of other people throughout history have observed. Change happens. When change happens, it seems to always happen as result of actual things. Why put the word, observation, in scare quotes? Do you feel threatened by some observations?
And we don't know if cause and effect applies to singularities, if I'm wrong, please enlighten me.
ChadWooters Wrote:(Emphasis mine.)
If causality [causal relationships] can be different from universe to universe, then they aren’t really brute facts. If they aren’t brute facts then the principle of sufficient reason applies. There must be a reason, or justification, for why these particular causal relationships hold and not some alternatives.
Why must there be a reason? Why can't it just be? It seems as if theists are holding this belief that everything must have a reason, a purpose and meaning. It's very possible, and very probably that that just happens to be the case, that's what I'd say until you prove this supernatural element of yours that has given the universe a meaning and purpose and put a reason behind everything.
ChadWooters Wrote:The quantum vacuum is not a ‘nothing’.
The quantum vaccum consists of no physical particles but instead it consists of virtual particles (and electromagnetic waves), which can potentially become real particles and universes. But for that I think energy must've always existed, that's just me logically speaking, but we can't figure everything out logically, especially not when talking about the quantum scales and probably beyond. And if you come up with some sort of argument or evidence that god somehow existed and created energy, I'm pretty sure what you'd be saying could also be used to explain the existence of energy which is more coherent.