(June 9, 2016 at 4:27 am)Mechaghostman2 Wrote:(June 9, 2016 at 12:07 am)KevinM1 Wrote: Why shouldn't topics such as LGTB rights, the right to choose, etc. be a part of a self-titled Reason Rally when the bulk of the opposition to them comes from religious extremism? I mean, there's more to atheism-as-politics than raging against creationism, which is really the lowest hanging of the fruit. We're living in a country in which certain states are trying to imprison doctors for performing abortions under any circumstances and members of the general public for using the bathroom they identify with for purely religious reasons. If that's not worth at least an honest and frank discussion about the perniciousness of religion and law intertwining and government overreach, what is?
Or is the problem that reality is far more complex and difficult to change than various YouTube fuckwits and their minions originally thought, and now that there's real work to be done, work that will inevitably require compromise and collaboration with other marginalized populations, it's easier to return to the safety of the echo chamber and deride them for ruining your fun?
You aren't going to get rid of those social issues until you start to attack the root of the problem. The problem is religion and a religiously based culture. Get rid of that and you get rid of most of the social issues. Otherwise you're just trying to hose the fire instead of the coals.
Creationism is not low hanging fruit. There are still tax funded schools to this day that teach it. That will make it so that kids grow up without a proper understanding of biology, of medicine, etc. That means our kids won't grow up to be anything more than a basic factory worker, even if they had the potential to be something more. No, I'm not knocking the factory workers, before anyone tries accusing me of anything.
They'll never win the abortion case. Get rid of it legally and it'll be back to coat hangers. They'll realize that mistake soon enough. As for bathroom laws, well, nobody really enforces them, and people are boycotting that state.
Many of these things are worth the discussion, but not when the discussion is about something else entirely. It's like going up to a bunch of people who are talking about golf, and then forcing them to talk about hockey. They're going to get annoyed.
Real work to be done? By doing what, voting Democrat? Because that's worked so well these past 8 years, right? The only thing accomplished is gay marriage and gays being allowed to serve openly in the military. Ok, so we tackled some of those small issues. What else has been done again?
Dude. You are all over the place. Why are you allowed to have pet issues you deem secularism, which you conflate with atheism, but other people aren't?
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum.