(June 10, 2016 at 7:00 pm)SteveII Wrote:(June 10, 2016 at 3:25 pm)Nihilist Virus Wrote: Why do you include "pondering". That is a straw man.Logic is the system or framework organized according to strict principles of validity. It is not a process. It is a noun (unlike thinking, pondering, etc.). You are equivocating between how someone arrives at a logical conclusion and the logical conclusion. Someone could arrive at a logical conclusion without thinking or pondering at all or entirely by accident. Omniscience substitutes for pondering and thinking with the same result: logical conclusion.
Logic is the process/set of rules by which we organize our thoughts. If God invokes logic, then he must be thinking about something. Are you saying I'm propping up a strawman by equating "thought" with "ponder"? Are you trying to say that God has quick little instantaneous thoughts but doesn't sit there and ponder something carefully because that would be some kind of strawman against God? Or are you saying that God does not think at all? If he doesn't, how is he using logic?
Perhaps that is the problem with your argument. God does not need to ponder because of his omniscience. The fact that he does not need to ponder in no way affects whether a decision is logical.
You're conceding the argument. You just said that God does not need to ponder because of his omniscience. If God does not need to ponder, then he certainly does not need to ponder in an organized manner, right? And if he does not need to ponder in an organized manner, then he does not need to invoke logic, which means I have won the argument.
You are also introducing an temporal component to the mind of God. Successive thoughts are temporal events. Is God bound by time?
Straw man: You used the word "pondering" and then knocked it over with "why would God need to ponder if he already knows everything?"
By logic, to be sentient, you have to be bound by some time.