RE: Who's God did this?!?
April 22, 2011 at 12:13 am
(This post was last modified: April 22, 2011 at 12:32 am by Godscreated.)
(April 21, 2011 at 1:07 am)Cinjin Cain Wrote:(April 21, 2011 at 12:45 am)Godschild Wrote:
Two things....
No. 1 - those hypothetical parents do not have supernatural powers that run out with one or two people. According to you, your god is everywhere and omnipotent - Therefore comparing a set of parents with money problems to your omnipotent god is just a poor comparison.
No. 2 - You still won't answer the question. Not a huge surprise, most christians wont because they cannot.
Here it is yet again: (a simple yes or no... give it a try)
Since you believe your god knows all and controls all things - Do you believe that your god is willfully allowing those people a lifetime of suffering for some unknowable plan of his making?
First thing to get out of the way I said the parents have all the means to give their children what they wanted. Second thing the (good parent, bad parent) part was sarcasim. Third thing I did answer your question, just not in the way you believe I should have and since it is my answer I get to do it my way. Let me make this simple for you, God wants to be loved by us not used for our own petty little things we feel are important. Yes I know these people are suffering and if I were in their shoes I would want relief too. However if it did not come I would trust God for my future and the reason I would trust Him is because He is omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent and loving beyond your ability to understand.
Now to give you an answer in the form you want it NO! Is that plain enough for you. They are suffering because of sin and not their own but because sin exist period. You would call it evolution and because you do not believe in God then you must blame evolution for their fate. So where is their hope at, in people, people seem to give them a wide birth (lots of love there), so where is their hope, does it lie with all those people that make jokes about them and tease them and say cruel things about them, where is their hope, does it lie with you. What are you doing to help these people you so lovingly refer to as poor bastards.
(April 21, 2011 at 11:54 am)reverendjeremiah Wrote:(April 21, 2011 at 12:45 am)Godschild Wrote:This paragraph doesn even come close to the topic, much less a theodicy. The topic is "Who's god did this". In order for this paragraph to even come CLOSE to the topic, the parents would have KNOWINGLY had to have created the children with these physical defects. So you believe your god only has enough cash to deal with certain ones who are bad off, and the others he has no cash or power to help fix. And then, eventually, your god does not know how to stop the maddening cycle and then he just gives up?
Hey, that was your comparison. Apparently your solution to the problem of evil is to claim that your god is NOT all powerful, and is therefore helpless in the face of such overwhelming malevolence. He might be able to help some people some time, but according to you, your god is not all powerful and is overwhelmed by the maddening cycle of disease and hate, so therefore gave up.
Doesnt sound like a benevolent god to me. Sounds like you worship a faulty human, who breaks under pressure and is unable to handle his own creation.---and you wonder why we are not interested in converting to your beliefs.
In your paragraph, you also make a very common, and very WRONG mistake when discussion of god come up. You are trying to compare an all knowing, all powerful god to mortal people. Can those parents easily snap their fingers and cure every physical defect of their children? No. Would they if they could? Well, if they could but chose not to, that would make them sons-of-bitches in my eyes. Something tells me you would agree with that.
...NOW....
Insert a god into the mix. This god can snap his fingers and get everything he wants. God could easily snap his finger to cure all four of those children, but he doesnt. A benevolent person, and most especially a benevolent god, would not think twice about curing all 4 of those children, no questions asked. God does not cure those children. ANY of them. Which leads to the obvious conclusion that your god is NOT benevolent at least.. and maybe, just maybe, doesnt give a fuck.
..and you worship that careless prick.
I worship a God who is loving and I understand how His love works within this world which gives me the ability and desire to worship Him. You on the other hand and that goes for Nepo and Thor have no idea of Gods love or who He is so it only make sence that you believe the way you do and that is sad.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.