RE: Hell and God cant Co-exist.
June 11, 2016 at 6:19 am
(This post was last modified: June 11, 2016 at 7:52 am by Homeless Nutter.)
(June 10, 2016 at 10:42 am)popsthebuilder Wrote: [...]If you can't accept that scriptures of the faithful expressly condone science then that's your own willful bias and ignorance.[...]
(June 10, 2016 at 10:12 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: [...]A belief in God is not intrinsically against science. It only is that way if people choose to make it that way.
Nonsense. If there was a god - science would be impossible. If you allowed for existence of a personal, omnipotent, omnipresent being, able to break laws of physics at a whim and allegedly displaying human-like emotions and "will" - how could you EVER scientifically establish ANYTHING?
Is the speed of light the fastest speed possible in the universe? Of course not - omnipotent god can speed it up, slow it down, create photons mid-flight, or stop them at will. Can energy be destroyed? Sure - by god. So Einstein can go f*ck himself. Does Pi equal 3.14159265359...? Who knows - if god wills it to be so - then that's what it will seem. But if god wants it to be different at any moment - he can change it and none of us need to be even aware. Are any of our measurements accurate? Can we rely on them, when - say - building space-ships? Of course not. God can manipulate Earth's gravity, time, curvature of space or anything else at any time.
Even if we tested all the relevant constants during every experiment, ever - that would still be no guarantee, that god wasn't simply making our scientific equipment show incorrect data. Why would he do that? Who are you to question god's motivations and his plans?... You say - he's benevolent. Well - even if that was true, he could be misinforming us for the greater good - or whatever. Either way - science would be pointless and largely useless, just like it is viewed in most theocratic countries.
That's why belief in a human-like, omnipotent god, who freely interacts with the universe is irrational. And if a god had to adhere to laws and physics and such - well then that would be no god at all, but at best - a "middle-man", some sort of a lesser deity, or a very advanced alien, since whoever, or whatever would be dictating the limitations of his power - that would be the real god. Also - miracles would be impossible.
So, yeah - every theistic religion is at its very core anti-scientific. It's a good thing, that they're all nonsense, which is why science works.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw