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Being a sinner just for being born
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RE: Being a sinner just for being born
(June 11, 2016 at 4:59 pm)SteveII Wrote: I'm not surprised at Losty's comment, but do you really think Christianity teaches that we are punished for Adam's sin? If so, you really need to learn more about what you are criticizing.

(June 10, 2016 at 3:05 pm)robvalue Wrote: Are you serious?

Yeah, that's exactly what it teaches. Original sin.

Then you have confused two things.

Original sin is a doctrine that discusses where the sin nature comes from. Why we want to sin? Why a little child intentionally does something he knows is bad? There are many different views on what the Adam story means and what Romans 5 means. But none of those views are that we are punished for someone else's sin. We are punished for our own sin we commit (free will and all). God is not going to say on judgement day, "Adam sinned so you are going to pay for it."  As an illustration, if Christians believed the way you stated, unborn babies, infants and toddlers would go to hell if they died before even learning their first word.

Neither Luther nor Calvin agree with you, according to the following: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_s...eformation

For those that don't feel like clicking on the link, they both claim/affirm that we inherit Adam's sin at birth, and it's only through Christ that we have a chance for redemption.

So, yeah....
"I was thirsty for everything, but blood wasn't my style" - Live, "Voodoo Lady"
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Being a sinner just for being born - by mlmooney89 - June 9, 2016 at 3:55 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by SteveII - June 9, 2016 at 4:02 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by LastPoet - June 9, 2016 at 4:15 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by mlmooney89 - June 9, 2016 at 4:16 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Minimalist - June 9, 2016 at 4:19 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by robvalue - June 9, 2016 at 4:25 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by brewer - June 9, 2016 at 4:30 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by zebo-the-fat - June 10, 2016 at 12:37 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by SteveII - June 10, 2016 at 2:07 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Losty - June 10, 2016 at 2:09 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Losty - June 10, 2016 at 12:42 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Minimalist - June 10, 2016 at 12:50 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by robvalue - June 10, 2016 at 2:10 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by SteveII - June 10, 2016 at 2:30 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Losty - June 10, 2016 at 3:08 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Minimalist - June 11, 2016 at 1:21 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by robvalue - June 10, 2016 at 3:05 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by mlmooney89 - June 10, 2016 at 3:22 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by SteveII - June 11, 2016 at 4:59 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by SteveII - June 11, 2016 at 5:33 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by madog - June 11, 2016 at 5:08 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by KevinM1 - June 11, 2016 at 6:26 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by SteveII - June 11, 2016 at 6:49 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Silver - June 11, 2016 at 6:51 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by KevinM1 - June 11, 2016 at 7:02 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by SteveII - June 11, 2016 at 7:28 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Gemini - June 11, 2016 at 7:48 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by SteveII - June 11, 2016 at 8:11 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Gemini - June 11, 2016 at 8:16 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by SteveII - June 11, 2016 at 9:13 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by dyresand - June 11, 2016 at 9:30 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Gemini - June 12, 2016 at 6:01 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by SteveII - June 12, 2016 at 7:43 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Grandizer - June 12, 2016 at 9:16 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by SteveII - June 11, 2016 at 9:13 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Grandizer - June 11, 2016 at 8:18 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by robvalue - June 10, 2016 at 4:21 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by KevinM1 - June 10, 2016 at 11:30 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Silver - June 11, 2016 at 1:34 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Minimalist - June 11, 2016 at 2:06 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by robvalue - June 11, 2016 at 6:40 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by madog - June 11, 2016 at 6:45 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Losty - June 11, 2016 at 6:50 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by robvalue - June 11, 2016 at 6:42 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Losty - June 11, 2016 at 6:44 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by robvalue - June 11, 2016 at 6:47 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by robvalue - June 11, 2016 at 6:52 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Losty - June 11, 2016 at 6:53 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by SteveII - June 11, 2016 at 7:01 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by robvalue - June 11, 2016 at 7:07 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by SteveII - June 11, 2016 at 7:38 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by robvalue - June 12, 2016 at 1:01 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Minimalist - June 11, 2016 at 7:17 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by robvalue - June 11, 2016 at 7:15 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by dyresand - June 11, 2016 at 8:54 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by SteveII - June 11, 2016 at 11:01 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Losty - June 12, 2016 at 12:03 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by KevinM1 - June 12, 2016 at 1:24 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Ignorant - June 12, 2016 at 6:58 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by robvalue - June 12, 2016 at 1:59 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by KevinM1 - June 12, 2016 at 2:08 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by robvalue - June 12, 2016 at 2:12 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by robvalue - June 12, 2016 at 7:06 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Ignorant - June 12, 2016 at 7:08 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by SteveII - June 12, 2016 at 8:19 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by robvalue - June 12, 2016 at 7:10 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Ignorant - June 12, 2016 at 7:27 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by robvalue - June 12, 2016 at 7:31 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Ignorant - June 12, 2016 at 7:43 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by robvalue - June 12, 2016 at 7:48 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Ignorant - June 12, 2016 at 8:07 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by robvalue - June 12, 2016 at 7:53 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by robvalue - June 12, 2016 at 8:56 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Ignorant - June 12, 2016 at 9:58 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by robvalue - June 12, 2016 at 1:20 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Ignorant - June 12, 2016 at 2:42 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Angrboda - June 12, 2016 at 2:00 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Ignorant - June 12, 2016 at 2:35 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by robvalue - June 12, 2016 at 3:18 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Ignorant - June 12, 2016 at 3:27 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by mlmooney89 - June 13, 2016 at 10:44 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Ignorant - June 13, 2016 at 11:32 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Ignorant - June 13, 2016 at 11:47 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by SofaKingHigh - June 13, 2016 at 11:49 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Ignorant - June 13, 2016 at 11:54 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by SofaKingHigh - June 13, 2016 at 11:55 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Ignorant - June 13, 2016 at 12:00 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Ignorant - June 13, 2016 at 12:52 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Ignorant - June 13, 2016 at 1:01 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Ignorant - June 13, 2016 at 1:34 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Losty - June 13, 2016 at 1:27 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by mlmooney89 - June 13, 2016 at 1:39 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Losty - June 13, 2016 at 2:08 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Ignorant - June 13, 2016 at 3:10 pm
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Ignorant - June 14, 2016 at 4:21 am
RE: Being a sinner just for being born - by Ignorant - June 14, 2016 at 11:20 am

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