(June 11, 2016 at 6:26 pm)KevinM1 Wrote:(June 11, 2016 at 4:59 pm)SteveII Wrote: I'm not surprised at Losty's comment, but do you really think Christianity teaches that we are punished for Adam's sin? If so, you really need to learn more about what you are criticizing.
Then you have confused two things.
Original sin is a doctrine that discusses where the sin nature comes from. Why we want to sin? Why a little child intentionally does something he knows is bad? There are many different views on what the Adam story means and what Romans 5 means. But none of those views are that we are punished for someone else's sin. We are punished for our own sin we commit (free will and all). God is not going to say on judgement day, "Adam sinned so you are going to pay for it." As an illustration, if Christians believed the way you stated, unborn babies, infants and toddlers would go to hell if they died before even learning their first word.
Neither Luther nor Calvin agree with you, according to the following: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_s...eformation
For those that don't feel like clicking on the link, they both claim/affirm that we inherit Adam's sin at birth, and it's only being born again - both through the act of baptism and the acceptance of the holy spirit - that we have a chance for redemption.
So, yeah....
You are still confusing inheriting a sin nature with what you are going to be punished for.
To be more precise you have to understand the before and after. Before Adam's sin he was righteous and could stand before God (in his presence) "as-is" blameless, without fault, a perfect being, made in the image of God, higher than the angels. After sin, approaching God is no longer possible--he was tainted. The fall was significant because of how high his status was to start. Adam could not help but pass on that tainted state to his offspring. Therefore we inherit a sin nature--a state that requires some kind of repair if we are to get back to the original state.
