Hell and God cant Co-exist.

[Redbeard The Pink]

Exactly - I'm glad you see it. It's a "what if god existed" scenario, because I PUT GOD IN IT. And there is no god in reality, so yeah - it's VERY unlikely. So you agree with me. Good...


No - You're the one who says god must or mustn't do this or that. I said - omnipotent god CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS and DOESN'T NEEED TO EXPLAIN HIMSELF TO YOU, so if he decided he has to do things certain way, or that some laws of physics need to change - there's no way for you to know it. Like most religious fairy-tellers you're just making convenient sh*t up about god, trying to imply, that you know god's mind. You want god to be able to do EVERYTHING, but not really do ANYTHING, so that we can do science as if god wasn't there at all. Which he isn't, so you're half-right. Kind of...


He doesn't? Of course he doesn't - he doesn't exist, but if he did - then how come you can't predict ANYTHING he does? We can predict physics, like the sun eclipses, or planetary orbits. But with god - nope, nothing, despite believers having tried for thousands and thousands of years of "observation", prayer and "revelation". So tell me - how is that not "mysterious" to you, huh? Are you so insecure in your beliefs, that you can't even admit, that you don't know anything for sure about your god? So my scenario is way more plausible than any you may have in mind, since there is nothing actually known about god and god can't be tested, even by your own admission - and that's EXACTLY consistent with there being no god at all.

I'll let you ponder that for a while, but I doubt your capable of understanding the argument, let alone - respond in a coherent manner. Oh, well - maybe someone else comes across it and helps you out of your misery...

Did you really say that I imply I know GOD's mind, and that I said I don't understand GOD at all in the same post? That's rhetorical. You did.

This is going way off of logic and into ridiculousness.

Let me know if and when you would like to entertain serious conversation.

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

pops, Nutter is right.


Miracles, by every useful definition of the word, are suspensions of the laws of physics. They are the sort of magic a god does.


Your god is defined as a being that can and does perform miracles, right? That means your god suspends the laws of physics at least as often as he's doing magic, unless you're using a dishonest definition of "miracle" so that you can say that your god doesn't have to alter or suspend natural law to do magic. If that's the case, then your god is very clearly entirely individual and entirely made up.


Besides, even if god never alters the laws of physics, he still can, right? Your god created the very Universe, and you describe his power as "limitless," right? I think you actually said "limitless limits," which is just gibberish as far as I can tell, but the point is that your god is powerful enough to do anything he wants, right? He could do miracles by setting them up beforehand as rare/unlikely natural events, or he could do it in the moment by changing or ignoring the rules he wrote, right? Surely if he has the power to make these rules, he has the power to change or break them.


Even if he has never actually changed Universal Law, the point is that he can (can't he?). The mere presence of a thinking agent who is capable of rendering science false on a whim means that science is technically useless. Even if he never has changed physics, there is no guarantee that he won't in the future and no way to know if he has, which means that there's no way to do science and come to consistent, reliable conclusions.


But seriously...nowhere in canon is this god of yours who does miracles without suspending natural law, so that's really starting to look like an ad hoc argument that you're using to worm out of having to admit that your god is a being that would void science if he were real. Show me these science-compatible miracles in the Bible or some other religious text (spoiler: they ain't there). Until then, you're just redefining "miracle" to be what you need for this argument, which is just sloppy rhetoric and intellectual dishonesty.