Hell and God cant Co-exist.

[Redbeard The Pink]

pops, Nutter is right.


Miracles, by every useful definition of the word, are suspensions of the laws of physics. They are the sort of magic a god does.


Your god is defined as a being that can and does perform miracles, right? That means your god suspends the laws of physics at least as often as he's doing magic, unless you're using a dishonest definition of "miracle" so that you can say that your god doesn't have to alter or suspend natural law to do magic. If that's the case, then your god is very clearly entirely individual and entirely made up.


Besides, even if god never alters the laws of physics, he still can, right? Your god created the very Universe, and you describe his power as "limitless," right? I think you actually said "limitless limits," which is just gibberish as far as I can tell, but the point is that your god is powerful enough to do anything he wants, right? He could do miracles by setting them up beforehand as rare/unlikely natural events, or he could do it in the moment by changing or ignoring the rules he wrote, right? Surely if he has the power to make these rules, he has the power to change or break them.


Even if he has never actually changed Universal Law, the point is that he can (can't he?). The mere presence of a thinking agent who is capable of rendering science false on a whim means that science is technically useless. Even if he never has changed physics, there is no guarantee that he won't in the future and no way to know if he has, which means that there's no way to do science and come to consistent, reliable conclusions.


But seriously...nowhere in canon is this god of yours who does miracles without suspending natural law, so that's really starting to look like an ad hoc argument that you're using to worm out of having to admit that your god is a being that would void science if he were real. Show me these science-compatible miracles in the Bible or some other religious text (spoiler: they ain't there). Until then, you're just redefining "miracle" to be what you need for this argument, which is just sloppy rhetoric and intellectual dishonesty.

Show me where it states in canon scripture that Jesus is was and has always been the fullness of GOD then we can discuss the miracles.

Show me where it says all scripture is to be taken literally, then I may concede that the Christ, not GOD, but wholly of GOD as he walked the earth, temporarily molded the laws of nature to his will.

I understand your point. And it is valid given the context that you apply it to. However, that isn't the same context that I apply.

I'm sorry but metaphysics shouldn't be interpreted in a literal sense.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

A-ha...the two greatest cop-outs..."Oh, you're out of context...oh, you're taking it too literally..."

Throw in a "But that's the OLD Testament!" and we've got a complete set.


Come on, bro. Don't be a n00b.


Is or isn't your god powerful enough to alter the rules of the Universe once written? Yes or no? Stop squirming around.