Hell and God cant Co-exist.

[Redbeard The Pink]

A-ha...the two greatest cop-outs..."Oh, you're out of context...oh, you're taking it too literally..."

Throw in a "But that's the OLD Testament!" and we've got a complete set.


Come on, bro. Don't be a n00b.


Is or isn't your god powerful enough to alter the rules of the Universe once written? Yes or no? Stop squirming around.

Yes, technically, but it has no reason to do such as all is predestined but our choice.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

OK, let me stop you right there. Whether it does so, whether it has a reason to do so...all of that is irrelevant. The meaningful fact (a fact you just acknowledged) is that you believe in a thinking agent that can wilfully nullify all of science without us even knowing that it's happened. If such an agent were to exist, it would mean that we could never fully rely on the consistency of Universal Law, which would make science impossible.


Furthermore, it is not possible for everything except for human choices to be preordained. Either everything is written in advance, or nothing is. If human choices were wildcards, they could cause change and thereby affect preordained events. If no human choices have impact on anything but themselves (i.e. they can't impact other events because those are preordained), then they aren't really choices (seeing as how they don't affect any of the ultimate outcomes one way or another). Besides, it's a special pleading fallacy to say that everything is preordained except for one thing.


You seem to be saying one of two things. Either the perceived magical events of the Bible conform to the laws of nature, even if it would require an exceedingly unlikely or unknown set of circumstances in order to happen within the bounds of natural law, or you're saying that because your god is the boss, anything he does is natural, even if it is a suspension of how the Universe otherwise works.


Both are ad hoc, and both are irrelevant. If your god can write, change, and ignore the rules if he wants, then there are no rules, which means science is out the window. It doesn't matter if he does change the rules. What matters is that he can (only he can't because this is all hypothetical because he doesn't exist).