Hell and God cant Co-exist.

[popsthebuilder]

Yes, technically, but it has no reason to do such as all is predestined but our choice.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

OK, let me stop you right there. Whether it does so, whether it has a reason to do so...all of that is irrelevant. The meaningful fact (a fact you just acknowledged) is that you believe in a thinking agent that can wilfully nullify all of science without us even knowing that it's happened. If such an agent were to exist, it would mean that we could never fully rely on the consistency of Universal Law, which would make science impossible.


Furthermore, it is not possible for everything except for human choices to be preordained. Either everything is written in advance, or nothing is. If human choices were wildcards, they could cause change and thereby affect preordained events. If no human choices have impact on anything but themselves (i.e. they can't impact other events because those are preordained), then they aren't really choices (seeing as how they don't affect any of the ultimate outcomes one way or another). Besides, it's a special pleading fallacy to say that everything is preordained except for one thing.


You seem to be saying one of two things. Either the perceived magical events of the Bible conform to the laws of nature, even if it would require an exceedingly unlikely or unknown set of circumstances in order to happen within the bounds of natural law, or you're saying that because your god is the boss, anything he does is natural, even if it is a suspension of how the Universe otherwise works.


Both are ad hoc, and both are irrelevant. If your god can write, change, and ignore the rules if he wants, then there are no rules, which means science is out the window. It doesn't matter if he does change the rules. What matters is that he can (only he can't because this is all hypothetical because he doesn't exist).

It looks like you moved the goal posts; I agreed that GOD had the capacity to alter natural law, not that we wouldn't be able to observe it. What kind of sense does that even make? For the sake of discussion lets say GOD flipped a magical switch and shut gravity off. I think we would notice. Let's say the planets, solar systems, galaxies, the universe all stopped going along their ordained path... I'm pretty sure we would notice.

I get what you're saying about the special pleading though. And I admit it is quite difficult to grasp and harder to explain. I think everything is ordained, and nothing is left to chance, except for the human spirit or soul, in the natural world, but at the same time we have freedom, potential, and responsibility. I honestly don't know how that works exactly. I'm sure one day I will though.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.