(June 13, 2016 at 3:26 am)Irrational Wrote:(June 12, 2016 at 10:00 pm)SteveII Wrote: So if you are talking about describing God in his timeless state, all of his attributes still apply but he is changeless. Not changing. You seem to think that there is a period where God is dormant. There is no period. This state passed away, as a whole, at the moment of creation.
If you want to draw a parallel with your computer it is only because you have arranged the comparison to have two common attributes: infinite amounts of information and a changeless state. That is where the comparison stops but each of those things would have other properties you cannot ignore for your point.
I'm trying to go by what you are arguing. The problem is that you have to contradict yourself in order to maintain your position, which is problematic for both of us, as it's rather hard to be consistent with my response to such a blatant contradiction.
Your attempt to maintain your position also keeps putting us through an unwanted loop, similar to the argument: The Bible is true because it is God's Word; what God says is true because the Bible says so.
I'm going to try one last time, and then I'm done with this discussion:
What does it mean to have a mind outside of time?
More specifically, when time and the universe had not yet been created, what is one logically possible answer for how God brought about time and the universe through the exercise of certain mental tasks.
If God timelessly had the "purpose" or "will" to create time and the universe, then there was no time to plan or think about it. This is a spontaneous and mindless act then, no different from how a theoretical metaphysical timeless super advanced computer, with all the necessary information to create stuff, would bring forth time and the universe.
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