(June 22, 2016 at 7:54 am)Little Rik Wrote:(June 21, 2016 at 8:12 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: The operating system on this computer is abstract. It's also realized in the physical fact of the electrons flowing through its various circuits. That something appears abstract to you is not evidence that it is non-physical. And your assertion is far from obvious.
Wrong again yog.
Abstract is the mind that build the computer or the car or any other thing.
The computer is as physical as your body that wouldn't move unless YOU
decide so.
You're just asserting that the mind is abstract. What evidence besides NDEs do you have that the mind is intangible?
(June 22, 2016 at 9:27 am)Little Rik Wrote:(June 22, 2016 at 9:04 am)Gemini Wrote: There is absolutely no objective evidence that they actually perceive anything that would confirm out-of-body experience vs. just dreaming/hallucinating.
Wrong again Gemini.
To understand NDEs you should also put yourself in God shoes so to speak but you can't because you start from the idea that God doesn't exist.
Suppose that God exist for a moment.
As God your intention is to teach something only to those who are ready to learn.
Why would you teach to someone who is not ready?
It wouldn't make sense that is why only some of the people who had an NDE experience God.
God is not there to show himself to those who don't care about him.
Not only that but he-she (God has no sex) is also not engaging in games or give evidences that he exist such as to show to skeptics tricks when an NDE can see things put there by skeptics as experiments.
This is nothing but a bunch of fictitious claptrap. Suppose God exist. Suppose Peter Pan can fly. Suppose Santa is real.
Gemini said there is no objective evidence and you haven't provided any. All you've got is a 'what if'.
Stories about how God must be aren't evidence of anything. All you've got is the bare claim that she is wrong.
And that doesn't amount to spit.