RE: Bart Ehrman destroys Christianity in under 12 minutes.
June 22, 2016 at 7:37 pm
(This post was last modified: June 22, 2016 at 7:38 pm by Jehanne.)
(June 22, 2016 at 9:38 am)Aractus Wrote:(June 22, 2016 at 7:12 am)Jehanne Wrote: You need to clarify, though, that these are not complete manuscripts. For instance, the P52 fragment from the Gospel of John is the size of a credit card:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rylands_Li...apyrus_P52
P.S. In fact, here's a list of all New Testament manuscripts:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ne...ent_papyri
Sorry what I meant was manuscript not "manuscripts", and I was referring to P75:
Just to explain it since you probably can't read Greek - it's late 2nd century and on the same page that Luke ends (pictured above) John begins. I hope that clears that up. The manuscript is mostly complete, I'm not looking it up, but it has about 100 leaves (pages) that still exist today of the original representing more than 60% of the original manuscript. And of course it's Papyrus (made from reeds), not Parchment (animal skin); with parchment writings being much more durable of course.
P52 is fairly unique, most manuscripts are not a single scrap of a manuscript, again without looking it up the average length of a NT manuscript is over 400 pages: but most of those are from the 4th century on and are parchment. When looking at papyrus, those are generally earlier, and the break down and turn to dust much quicker, and they had less books (if any) bound together. In this case, P75 is just Luke-John, whereas your 4th and 5th century manuscripts usually contain the whole New Testament.
No, I can't read Greek, but assuming that P75 was written around 175 AD...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papyrus_75
that's nearly a century after Luke and John were composed. But, look at the textual variants:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papyrus_75...l_variants
Quote:In Luke 11:4, the phrase αλλα ρυσαι ημας απο του πονηρου (but deliver us from evil) is omitted. The omission of this phrase is also supported by the following manuscripts: Sinaiticus, Vaticanus, Codex Regius, f1, 700, vg, syrs, copsa, bo, arm, geo.[13]
So, even near the end of the 2nd Century, the Lord's Prayer was not yet completely established! Who knows the variants that were taking place prior to P75?! That's Professor Ehrman's point -- no one really knows the true words of Jesus.