(April 3, 2009 at 2:49 am)dizziness Wrote: Let's go through the proofs for and against the existence of god. Both sides are filled with invalid ones so let us find the ones that work and those that don't. The base for the argument should be logical. Yes, I am aware this gives believers a bad start but it is the only thing that makes sense in a philosophical discussion. Rhetoric is obviously allowed but frowned upon.
Let's get the topic started by a proof used for the existence of god. Please note the difference between the proof and my opinion.
The argument sounds:
1. I have an idea of a perfect being (God)
2. In every cause there must be at least as much reality as there is in the effect
3. I am imperfect
4. Given that I am imperfect (3) I cannot be responsible for the idea of perfection that I hold (1)
5. Therefore, given that every cause must be at least as great as its effect (2), whatever caused my idea of perfection (1) must be perfect. Therefore a perfect being exists and this is God who created me.
This proof was presented by Rene Descartes. Opinions?
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But I fail to see how you can call this proof
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