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Texas looks to follow UK's example
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RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example
(June 26, 2016 at 5:42 am)Mathilda Wrote: I see the same arguments used against Texas here as used against any separatist movement.

I'm a firm believer in the right to self determination. There's a shared sense of comradeship between separatists from Scotland, Catalonia and Quebec. If the Texans want to leave then I say good luck to them.  I certainly don't buy the whole argument about there being no legal means by which to leave. That argument has been used on Scotland in the past. It's false because it's only relevant to the current political and framework. If the people demand to leave then the country will leave and the rule book gets ripped up and replaced.

Saying that though, there is no chance in the short term of Texas leaving. These things take a long time to build. Many decades. What's more, there needs to be a real sense of identity behind the grass roots movement. National identity very often stems from both geographical areas and cultural history. For example, you can tell when you have entered Scotland because the landscape changes dramatically. I don't know about the geography of Texas but it doesn't have the cultural history of being a separate country.

You could argue the same with Quebec in Canada, but their cultural history is a continuation of France's culture.

Maybe in the future secession won't start a bloody civil war. But the Federal government has both asserted that power and enforced it by arms, and that is the reality on the ground any secessionsists must face. And when push comes to shove, it won't happen.

Ultima ratio regis, and all that.

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Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Ayen - June 25, 2016 at 11:50 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Ayen - June 26, 2016 at 12:16 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Losty - June 27, 2016 at 5:48 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Anomalocaris - June 28, 2016 at 11:55 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Minimalist - June 26, 2016 at 12:14 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Ayen - June 26, 2016 at 12:20 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by SteelCurtain - June 26, 2016 at 12:26 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by SteelCurtain - June 26, 2016 at 12:28 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Ayen - June 26, 2016 at 12:31 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Aoi Magi - June 26, 2016 at 1:10 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Tiberius - June 26, 2016 at 1:25 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Ayen - June 26, 2016 at 1:27 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Jackalope - June 26, 2016 at 5:12 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Whateverist - June 27, 2016 at 4:52 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by abaris - June 27, 2016 at 5:12 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by abaris - June 26, 2016 at 4:49 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Jackalope - June 26, 2016 at 5:11 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by abaris - June 26, 2016 at 5:14 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Jackalope - June 26, 2016 at 5:18 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by abaris - June 26, 2016 at 5:25 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Jackalope - June 26, 2016 at 5:29 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by abaris - June 26, 2016 at 5:36 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by abaris - June 26, 2016 at 5:28 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Ayen - June 26, 2016 at 5:15 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by abaris - June 26, 2016 at 5:18 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by abaris - June 26, 2016 at 5:48 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by abaris - June 26, 2016 at 5:56 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by abaris - June 26, 2016 at 6:31 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Thumpalumpacus - June 26, 2016 at 5:50 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Aegon - June 26, 2016 at 7:08 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by abaris - June 27, 2016 at 4:15 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by mlmooney89 - June 27, 2016 at 3:12 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by abaris - June 27, 2016 at 3:15 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by mlmooney89 - June 27, 2016 at 3:40 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Minimalist - June 27, 2016 at 3:25 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Jackalope - June 27, 2016 at 3:51 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Minimalist - June 27, 2016 at 4:08 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by mlmooney89 - June 27, 2016 at 4:10 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by mlmooney89 - June 27, 2016 at 4:34 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Whateverist - June 27, 2016 at 4:53 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by mlmooney89 - June 27, 2016 at 5:08 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by mlmooney89 - June 27, 2016 at 3:52 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by abaris - June 27, 2016 at 3:57 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by mlmooney89 - June 27, 2016 at 4:07 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by LastPoet - June 27, 2016 at 4:08 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Jackalope - June 27, 2016 at 4:27 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by abaris - June 27, 2016 at 4:40 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Losty - June 27, 2016 at 5:49 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Ayen - June 27, 2016 at 10:17 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Losty - June 27, 2016 at 10:23 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by mlmooney89 - June 27, 2016 at 5:52 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Jackalope - June 27, 2016 at 6:39 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Jackalope - June 27, 2016 at 10:47 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Minimalist - June 27, 2016 at 11:06 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by abaris - June 28, 2016 at 3:04 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by abaris - June 28, 2016 at 3:11 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by abaris - June 28, 2016 at 3:20 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Losty - June 27, 2016 at 5:53 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Losty - June 27, 2016 at 5:53 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by mlmooney89 - June 27, 2016 at 5:56 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by mlmooney89 - June 27, 2016 at 6:04 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by mlmooney89 - June 27, 2016 at 6:41 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by mlmooney89 - June 27, 2016 at 6:43 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Gemini - June 27, 2016 at 6:44 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Losty - June 27, 2016 at 7:04 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Gemini - June 27, 2016 at 7:29 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Losty - June 27, 2016 at 8:47 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by rexbeccarox - June 27, 2016 at 9:42 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Jackalope - June 27, 2016 at 10:46 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by mlmooney89 - June 27, 2016 at 10:20 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Losty - June 27, 2016 at 10:35 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by The Valkyrie - June 27, 2016 at 10:44 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Jackalope - June 27, 2016 at 10:50 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Losty - June 27, 2016 at 10:48 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Losty - June 27, 2016 at 10:53 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Losty - June 27, 2016 at 11:07 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Jackalope - June 27, 2016 at 11:05 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by The Valkyrie - June 27, 2016 at 10:58 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Jackalope - June 27, 2016 at 11:07 pm
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by Jackalope - June 28, 2016 at 3:22 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by abaris - June 28, 2016 at 5:07 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by mlmooney89 - June 28, 2016 at 10:41 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by abaris - June 28, 2016 at 10:46 am
RE: Texas looks to follow UK's example - by mlmooney89 - June 28, 2016 at 10:54 am

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