(June 26, 2016 at 5:50 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(June 26, 2016 at 5:42 am)Mathilda Wrote: I see the same arguments used against Texas here as used against any separatist movement.
I'm a firm believer in the right to self determination. There's a shared sense of comradeship between separatists from Scotland, Catalonia and Quebec. If the Texans want to leave then I say good luck to them. I certainly don't buy the whole argument about there being no legal means by which to leave. That argument has been used on Scotland in the past. It's false because it's only relevant to the current political and framework. If the people demand to leave then the country will leave and the rule book gets ripped up and replaced.
Saying that though, there is no chance in the short term of Texas leaving. These things take a long time to build. Many decades. What's more, there needs to be a real sense of identity behind the grass roots movement. National identity very often stems from both geographical areas and cultural history. For example, you can tell when you have entered Scotland because the landscape changes dramatically. I don't know about the geography of Texas but it doesn't have the cultural history of being a separate country.
You could argue the same with Quebec in Canada, but their cultural history is a continuation of France's culture.
Maybe in the future secession won't start a bloody civil war. But the Federal government has both asserted that power and enforced it by arms, and that is the reality on the ground any secessionsists must face. And when push comes to shove, it won't happen.
Ultima ratio regis, and all that.
By seizing the land illegally, they would have to take it by force, and something tells me that wouldn't go so great against our military. Sure, they could vote to leave, but they can't really make it happen unless the US suddenly decides all the land and industry in Texas just isn't worth the fuss. Something tells me that wouldn't happen.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com